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Author Topic: Heston Stepping Down As President Of The NRA. Michael Gonzalez Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 790 From: Grand Island , NE USA Registered: Sep 2000 posted 04-27-2003 09:29 AM                     Your right Hillary. It is Alzheimer's that he is suffering from. I had forgotten which one but now I remember the Dateline NBC story about it when they were comparing Heston's life to Regan's life. I think that Heston's illness would have been made public anyway but I have the agree that the "Bowling for Columbine" piece probably had something to do with timing. I would expect that they would have wanted to wait until after he resigned as president of the NRA, to make an announcement of this kind. I would like to see someone dig up some dirt on Michael Moore and then chase him around and shove a camera in his face and see how he likes it. It would be a good project for an aspiring film student anyway. At times (baised on his tactics) I don't see much of a difference between Moore and a paparazzi.  |  IP: Logged Hillary Charles Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 748 From: York, PA, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 04-27-2003 10:11 AM                     Apparently there are a few of Moore's former staff who aren't too fond of him. Yet there are some who've worked for him for years, so it just may be personality issues. He addressed several of the charges against him in a Playboy interview, and seems to at least believe everything he says. I've heard people say he drives an SUV, when in actuality he drives a Dodge Caravan. Chicken-shit stuff like that. There are other examples which escape me at this moment. There are so many bullies for the right, and when one surfaces for the left, everyone wants to pounce on him for something, yet the others aren't held accountable for their actions and statements (those hawkish types who got Viet Nam-era draft deferrments and the like). For the most part, at least Moore walks the walk--those people who were shown being evicted in "Roger & Me" were each given two years rent money from the proceeds of that movie. Nobody's perfect, but bringing this back to Heston, he could have shown more sensitivity in regards to those ill-timed rallies.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-27-2003 12:54 PM                     Hillary, I have disagree with the "bullies" on the left side of politics being more singled out. There are few things more politically fashionable or "safe" than making wisecracks against groups like the NRA, the religious fundamentalist right and hawkish types in general. Movies, music, print media, the fashion industry and art industry all do it all of the time. Usually the citizens in the moderate-to-right area of politics remain silent. So it is kind of rare for guys like Michael Moore to get jumped on for his views. I'm not a big a fan at all of the NRA. The group needs a very serious change in its leadership and views since it has alienated a great many of its members. Heston and H. Wayne LaPierre both seem really silly at times. I do feel sympathy for Heston developing Alzheimers disease. No one should ever have to go through with that. I believe citizens should be able to own guns. However, I think a fair amount of qualification should EARNED before a purchase can be made. Background checks should be mandatory. I have a clean record so I have nothing to fear in a background check. Gun safety courses should be mandatory. Gun registration should be mandatory. You have to be licensed to drive a car. It only makes sense that the same thing should extend to firearms. As to the rash of shootings happening lately (such as the 14 year old who killed a school principal), banning guns will not stop this shit. That would only be a cosmetic, fake solution. The real solution to the problem is changing our culture. Our popular culture deliberately confuses selfishness and creulty as traits of strength and independence. People who are nice are pussies basically. We make anti-social behavior sexy. So I think our society is getting more and more fucked up by it every day. All of the marital/boyfriend-girlfriend homicides are just a spike showing a much larger problem in that people generally don't know how to care about one another as well as we did in decades past. Look at the rate of divorce in this nation. Look at all the kids growing up with parents split apart. Look at how kids and teens prey upon each other with new levels of viciousness and ever raising stakes in the game. In decades past that game got left behind in high school, but these days it continues on with many adults. If you have a problem, you're not going to get help from anyone about it. So you might as well take matters into your own hands. If someone is screwed up enough to think violence is a means to solve a problem, he is going to use whatever weapon is available. Guns are popular. But so are knives. A 32 year old bouncer was stabbed to death at a New York night club just recently when he told a smoker violating the new ban to put out his cigarette. Do we need to ban knives? Or how about cars? Remember the estranged wife in Houston who ran over her husband numerous times with a Mercedes? More has to be done to make people really care about each other than just being isolated.  |  IP: Logged Michael Gonzalez Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 790 From: Grand Island , NE USA Registered: Sep 2000 posted 04-27-2003 01:28 PM                     Just thought that I would add this link: http://www.revoketheoscar.com/ I think that the whole thing is really pointless. But just in case anyone here is curious as to what these people have to say. I must admit that the links off of this website are pretty interesting to say the least. Especially if it is true that the C. Heston speeches used in the film were actually given over a year after the tragedy and not a couple of weeks like Moore has claimed.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 04-27-2003 01:41 PM                  Well said Bobby! I hate to use the old cliché but "Guns don't kill people, People kill people". Guns, as well as knives, cars, hands, etc are all used as weapons. We have way too many gun laws now, and not enough enforcement. It all goes back to the lack of personal responsibility and individual accountability. So many people want to blame everyone and everything else for their and society's problems. Instead of taking responsibility for their own selves and actions, they want to cover their ass and wiggle out of their accountability. Many would much rather whine and moan and cry in their beer about how bad things are. GOD! I don't have time for that! If you're not happy, do something constructive to change it. Flame Off...Ummm for now! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 04-27-2003 02:50 PM                     Damn right, Phil. I agree with you 100%.  |  IP: Logged Ian Price Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1714 From: Denver, CO Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-27-2003 03:02 PM                     Bobby, Yesterday I tried to come up with a way of saying exactly what you did. It got wordy and preachy, so I didn't post it. You said eloquently in one paragraph what I feel. quote: I believe citizens should be able to own guns. However, I think a fair amount of qualification should EARNED before a purchase can be made. Background checks should be mandatory. I have a clean record so I have nothing to fear in a background check. Gun safety courses should be mandatory. Gun registration should be mandatory. You have to be licensed to drive a car. It only makes sense that the same thing should extend to firearms. Thank you.  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 04-27-2003 03:36 PM                     I am led to believe that Moore's interview of Heston was well before it was known Heston had Alzheimer's disease. Moore has the ability to leave the interviewee "sputtering and popping." He did basically the same with Dick Clark and the upper echelon of General Motors Corporation. Heston didn't seem to show any signs of Alzheimer's during the interview. I think Moore caught Heston with his "pants down" and Heston knew that. Personally, I would hate to be interviewed by Moore on any subject. Moore knows what questions to ask, amd more importantly, knows when to ask them. Moore also knows what the answer is before the question is even asked. He does his research quite nicely. I have seen hundreds like Moore in the military. In short, "Don't try to bullshit the brass." It will backfire. Moore made an ass out of Heston and Heston knows that. What other reason can you think of where Heston and his followers would use the law of retribution to try to recall Moore's Oscar? I know of none other than to "get even." Naturally, this is just my opinion.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-27-2003 06:12 PM                     The problem I have with Michael Moore is he comes off like a slick lawyer running a cross-examination in a trial. Instead of being subjective like a real journalist, he asks certain questions in ways that steer more toward the conclusions he has already made. This kind of thing is common in politics. Only ask the questions whose answers will support your bias. Try to put words into the mouth of the interviewee. Data mine the polls and statistics in such a way to spin the argument into your favor. IMHO, that's what he does. Moore does an excellent job of it too. If his documentaries were more "balanced" they would not get as much of an emotional reaction. In the end that's what gives me the biggest problem. If I'm watching a documentary I sure don't want to feel like I have been manipulated. Perhaps that's the difference between "documentary" and "infotainment."  |  IP: Logged Hillary Charles Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 748 From: York, PA, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 04-27-2003 06:42 PM                     Moore is not subtle, has a singular angry point of view, and has been very successful at getting his word out. I guess from my (left of center) perspective, it may just seem that those on the opposite end don't get as much heat for their transgressions. In film school, it was stressed that there is no such thing as a totally objective documentary. Once you select a camera angle and compose a shot, you have influenced your subject matter. Frederick Wiseman is a great example. His documentaries, "Titticut Follies" and "High School" have no narration and seem totally verite, yet injunctions were filed banning those films from being shown within the respective areas depicted. So Moore takes that subjectivity to an extreme. Perhaps there should be a new word for that style of advocacy filmmaking. Bobby, you make a great deal of sense regarding firearms. Lack of personal responsibility and a "me first" attitude pervade our culture. One commercial sells you candy, the next sells you a diet plan. Concern for the well-being of others, including often children, neighbors, classmates and principals appears to have evaporated. Until empathy becomes a greater part of our nature, this disturbing trend will continue. I don't believe that guns are the problem any more than automobiles cause drunk driving. We talk about licensing. Maybe parents should have to take courses on proper parenting, with classes in teaching empathy and compassion to their children. But it's not "cool" to care. I wish I had the answer. Moore admits he doesn't have a solution. And it's doubtful the NRA has one either. Back off my soapbox now.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 04-27-2003 07:47 PM                     quote: What I dont get is if Mr. Moore is in to making the NRA look like asses than why is he an active member? Can you say 'Mole'? It's pretty freakin' obvious. What better way to destroy an institution than to do it from the inside... -Aaron  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-27-2003 08:01 PM                     The topic of responsible parents is quite arguably at the very center of what ails this nation. Many things require education and licensing, whether you want to become a doctor, pilot, lawyer or just be able to drive a car. We really don't have squat on qualifying people to become parents. Maybe it is something we should do. If it were practical and didn't violate a number of constitutional amendments, I would be in favor of people not being able to breed at all until they proved they were ready and able to be parents. Parenthood is a completely life-altering responsibility and staggering financial committment. Well, such a thing it pretty extreme and of proportions belonging in a Orwell or Huxley novel. I guess my emotions have me that disgusted in wanting such a Draconian solution. We have a number of retirement homes and other services in this city that have had to change their structure so grandparents could bring in the kids they're having to raise. Their own grown children meanwhile are too busy out partying to have anything to do with their progeny. Children who grow up with little positive attention from parents have many more problems. And some create more problems for more people. I would say the whole "free love" and just screw recreationally attitude is a large part of why we have over 2 million people in jail.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 04-27-2003 08:10 PM                        Amen to your comments Bobby. Some of the things parents do (and don't do) are absolutely mind-boggling. If a license were required to become a parent I'm afraid at least 50% of the applicants would flunk the exam (unfortunately though that would probably not discourage most of the washouts from breeding anyway). I am also increasingly dismayed at the negative influence of the Internet on kids (while acknowledging the obvious positives). Parents, pay attention, set an example, and use some common sense.  |  IP: Logged Bruce McGee Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1776 From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular. Registered: Aug 1999 posted 04-27-2003 08:12 PM                     Exactly. In my world, alot of people that I know grew up plastered to a TV set for most of their adolescent life. I used to go to customers homes for TV repairs. You'd be amazed how many times I have been cursed by a ten year old for turning OFF the TV for service! The parents rarely said anything...  |  IP: Logged Hillary Charles Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 748 From: York, PA, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 04-27-2003 08:16 PM                     Aaron, Michael Moore has been a LIFETIME NRA member since a teenager, and has won marksmanship awards. His membership existed long before NRA became the powerful lobby that it is, and as such, at odds with Moore's philosophy regarding firearms. He's all for hunting (not something I particularly agree with), but that's about it. Before making "Bowling for Columbine," Moore pondered the possibility of running for NRA president himself, and attempt to bring it back to its original mission. Probably (rightly) figuring he had a snowball's chance, he decided to make the movie instead. Be wary of what may seem too freakin' obvious. [ 04-27-2003, 09:18 PM: Message edited by: Hillary Charles ]  |  IP: Logged

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