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Author Topic: Proms Are Getting Strict. Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 05-22-2003 01:59 PM                     Phil said: quote: I would have just pulled out my .357 and shot him. I had the same basic thought when I was typing a previous post. Although I would not have shot him, I would have exposed my .44 Anaconda the same way he displayed his and say, "Duh, mine is bigger than yours."  |  IP: Logged William Leland III Master Film Handler Posts: 336 From: Charleston, SC, Registered: Aug 2002 posted 05-22-2003 04:05 PM                        What's lost is the fact that "WE" are not in high school. These times are different from when you and I where in high school. Most of the people responding to the article are 30+. I'm 25 and the last time I was in a high school class was back in 96. I can relate more to these kids than you. I'm not saying you are wrong but you don't understand what these kids go threw today. I don't even understand. They have more pressure, stress and fear than we can even imagine. The world has changed in the last 10 years and these kids are changing with it. We see it changing but are not the ones who deal with it.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 05-22-2003 04:20 PM                  William: You may be out of touch, but please don't make assumptions that all of us old farts are not in tune with the younger generation...or a constantly changing world in general. Everone has to deal with a changing world since most of us live in it. The ones that grump and grumble about everything are usually the ones that cannot change with the times and are living in the past, or are too f*cking lazy to do something constructive about it....no matter how small the part is. Many of us have kids in HS or have kids that graduated recently. Many even have good and honest parental relationships with their kids. Some of us devote a lot of time to youth groups or other constructive endeavors to help kids in general and have much contact with today's kids from all walks of life. Go back and re-read some of the posts. You'll see that there are some of the views that you cite, but there are also other views. >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-22-2003 07:35 PM                     Well as being the typical student in High School I remember that after one dance the principle canceled our formal and you know what we held it any way in the same place and when the principle threatened actions it was reminded by a lawyer that a school canot at anytime outside of its premisies or on a sanctioned event have any control over what a person does. Needless to say all had a good time and none should up for morning classes Kids will be kids and I really haven't seen much difference then and now between the rebeliion of growing up ( probably still rebelling against what I don't know )  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-22-2003 08:10 PM                     Barry, Let me get this straight....nobody really dances at the prom, most of the kids aren't even listening to what you are playing or enjoying it. You wonder why you could only get $350? One thing I noticed that changed for the kids shortly after my graduation (early '80s)...when we had dances (from Jr. High onwards) the music was LIVE not DJ. Real live bands played at the dances and such. I believe the prom was a DJ though (didn't go) since the music wasn't the important thing. The kids after us got DJs...what a rip...there is nothing like a real live band to play at the dances and gatherings. I remember when they started cracking down on the bands from playing too loud too. As to the kids having it harder or more pressure today...what a load of BS. Kids have it different today...but you know kids have always had it different. A kid growing up in the early 1900s probably was part of a large family and would have to grow up fast to help take care of the family....a kid in the middle part of the 1900s faced the various wars. A kid later in the century had Vietnam and all of those worries and pressures...not to mention it was then EXPECTED that they would go to college (true in the 80s)... ...kids have always been under various pressures but different pressures that reflect their times. Anyone ever see _BYE BYE BIRDIE_...."Whats the matter with kids today" Steve  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-22-2003 08:38 PM                     I can't ever remember being under much if any pressure when I was growing up. I was allowed to pretty much go the direction I wanted to do...unless it was felt I was straying into dangerous territory. I had alot of hobbies and learned about alot of things either through schooling or on my own. I was lucky, I missed the draft by one month!! No Vietnam for me. When I look back at my chldhood I guess I had it pretty good overall and I certainly do have alot to be thankful for today. After all, how many kids grow up in life doing today what they wanted to do when they were ten....... Mark @ CLACO  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 05-22-2003 09:57 PM                    You wanted to do B-chains since you were 10?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-22-2003 10:35 PM                     I'd have to say that "B" Chains were an added thing that was thrown in with the rest of it later on in life........hardly a neusance....just an occasional part of life now. Mark  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 05-22-2003 11:21 PM                     I don't think young people have not changed that much. In my days of young, we had WWII, and Korea. And, I am a VietNam Vet. So I agree with Steve when he said: quote: As to the kids having it harder or more pressure today...what a load of BS. Several things have gone wrong. 1. If a young person is going to do something shady, no law is going to stop them. As an axample, some 17 year old was arrested for carrying a loaded machine gun in his back pack in school at Evergreen High School in White Center area just south of Seattle. 2. They know the punishment before they even commit the crime. 3. Parants cannot disipline their children because they could get sued by thier own kids. 4. Teachers cannot disipline the students for the same reason. If they send a student to the front office because the student was downright abusive towards the teacher, the student <*_might*_> get suspended from school and they look at that as a mini-vacation. 5. The punishment in a Court of Law does not fit the crime. All the judge seems to do is pat them on the Poo Poo and say, "You are a naughty boy (or girl) so don't do it again." and let them go with little or no punishment. 6. Many young people have no respect for another person's rights or property. That goes back to up bringing. Chances are, the parents are the same way. I could go on and on. Yesterday, a Superior Court judge refused to enforce the state's seat belt law, finding it too vague. That decision also led the judge to dismiss drug and weapons charges filed in the same case. The case began in February, when a State Patrol trooper stopped a pickup truck carrying three people on Washington 20. The trooper said he had noticed the passenger nearest the door was not wearing a seat belt. A change in state law last year made not wearing a seat belt a primary offense that law enforcement could use to make a traffic stop. During the stop, the trooper reported smelling marijuana and alcohol and seeing a bottle of whiskey with some of the liquor gone. The trooper discovered two outstanding warrants against the passenger nearest the door and arrested him. A search also uncovered a small tin containing marijuana, a Cobray M-11 9mm handgun and ammunition. The Everett man, who had been sitting between the driver and the passenger who had drawn the trooper's notice, admitted the drugs and weapon were his, according to State Patrol reports. As a convicted felon, the man was barred from legally possessing a gun. In her May 15 ruling, The Superior Court judge suppressed that evidence, since it flowed from enforcement of a law she found unconstitutional, and dismissed the drug and weapons charges based on that evidence. WTF??????? Who do you blame for the problems of today? A Court of Law is nothing more than a contest to determine who has a better lawyer. Isn't it disgusting to know that when someone breaks into your home at night, rapes your wife, kills one of your kids, steals or destroys your personal property and if you are lucky enough to get the upper hand and bash the bastard in the head with a baseball bat, you are the one who will go to jail longer than the SOB that violated you, your wife, or your children. Something is definately wrong here.....  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 05-23-2003 03:27 AM                  I agree with Steve that the issues and pressures are basically the same, just different. But, I think in general kids in the USA have it easier today in many respects and more difficult in others. USA kids just don't know how good they got it. Travel to another country and see what pressures and life-struggles kids there have to contend with. I'm not referring to third-world countries but places like Japan, Hong Kong, etc. It is the far left and their ridiculous perverse attitudes and forcing liberal laws down our throats under the guise of being "Politically Correct" or some other line of . The permissive judges, the lame ball-less politicians, and the POS lawyers that have made a mockery of our laws and judicial system seem to be more interested in making a buck/a name/getting re-elected than what is right and fair...especially for the victims. Paul also makes some very good points in his list of "Several things have gone wrong." Parents, teachers, school administrators, etc are all afraid of being sued if they disciplined lil Johnny or Mary or Jason. or whoever. If ya can't make the grade and score good on the tests, not to worry, we'll lower the standards and make the test easier. We'll even "adjust" the acceptance level by adding "credit points" for you personally and your situation. What that you say? You killed that old lady because she reminded you of your mom who spanked you when you were 12. Not to worry, we'll get you off and put your mom in jail for child abuse. Gosh, I don't know what else to say… Hmmmm, that's a 1st, huh? >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Mike Pennell Expert Film Handler Posts: 150 From: Tucson, AZ, USA Registered: Apr 2003 posted 05-23-2003 05:17 AM                     Give me a fu*%ing break. William thats the biggest pile of ive heard in a long time. oooh these kids have it harder than we did. BUNK BUNK BUNK Im 31 and these jackasses who say they've got it rough usually make it rough on themselves.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-23-2003 05:31 AM                        My life was fairly cozy I suppose, though I did have many troubles in school and peer pressure and all the usual stuff. Not sure how it would be "harder" today though. I would like to hear examples.  |  IP: Logged Mike Pennell Expert Film Handler Posts: 150 From: Tucson, AZ, USA Registered: Apr 2003 posted 05-23-2003 05:39 AM                     I'm sorry, I didnt intend on it offending anyone directly, just my personal opinion and not intentionally pointed at anyone. I just had to listen to my 16yr old niece tell me today how "hard" it is to be young and i nearly died laughing  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-23-2003 09:54 AM                     Paul, I don't want to stray too far here but as to the case you cited...There has always been a issue with once law-enforcement breaks the law while gathering evidence. That is, illegal wire-taps or other forms. No one wants evidence to be dismissed that would lead to convicting an actual criminal but we can't allow law-enforcement to let the ends justify the means. Of the two, I'll take what the judge did in the case you cited. The seat-belt law is crap, the government has no business inside your car in that manner...I firmly don't feel the government has any responsibility to protect you from yourself. Taken to the "primary offense" status is beyond stupid. So now all a cop as to do is say they saw you or any occupant without their seatbelt on and then they get to do a full car search? Note I said that all the cop as to do is say they saw one person with their seatbelt off...the cop can easily claim you put it on while the walked up to the vehicle (in the courts, it is always presumed that the cop is telling the truth..I've sat on those juries). The right to privacy from the government should extend beyond the house and right though to the car and all forms of property. If the police want to search it, get a warrant. When I was growing up, the police didn't have the power to search the car. They couldn't even assign possession to something they saw unless you could reach it from your seated position. Amazingly enough, society didn't come to a grinding halt then either. Steve  |  IP: Logged Barry Floyd Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1079 From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 05-23-2003 12:34 PM                        quote: Let me get this straight....nobody really dances at the prom, most of the kids aren't even listening to what you are playing or enjoying it. You wonder why you could only get $350? One thing I noticed that changed for the kids shortly after my graduation (early '80s)...when we had dances (from Jr. High onwards) the music was LIVE not DJ. Real live bands played at the dances and such. I believe the prom was a DJ though (didn't go) since the music wasn't the important thing. I was relating the experience of the last prom I worked, not all of them. It really depended upon which side of town we played. Kids on one side of the county would act completely different than those on the other. Kids in the rural areas treated us like freakin' rock stars. I always sold our services to our clients as "Entertainers" rather than just a button pushing Radio Shack warrior. Not many weekend warriors could pack in the sound and lighting rig we did, provide a team of dancers to motivate the crowds, line dance instruction, Karaoke services, etc. There is a big difference between $350.00 and $1,200.00 as far as the level of service we had the ability to provide. The schools were just not willing to pay for true entertainment. The $350.00 thing is an insult to a "professional DJ"... and yes there are such things as professional mobile DJ's. If I could have found enough reliable help who expressed any type of showmanship, I could've made a really good living just by playing the Wedding and Bar/Bat Mizvah circuits with no other source of income. I have friends in the Nashville market working as mobile DJ's as their only job and pull in over $100k a year by running multiple systems. Quitting the prom circuit was purely a business decision. Why would you take a $350.00 job where the majority of the music requested was so vulgar we were banned from playing it by the faculty, when on the same night you could be at a really nice country club playing a wedding or other event for almost 3 times the money? Sure we dealt with some drunks at the weddings, but nothing out of the ordinary. I do agree with Steve about the "live band" issue. Even working as a DJ for 18 years, I would personally rather have a live band at my event as opposed to a run of the mill DJ. Nothing beats a really good band who has a diverse range of musical ability, and provides the entertainment and showmanship to effectively work a crowd. My view of teenagers has not been tainted by my experience with that one run-in at that prom. There are great examples of good kids at our church that show that not all teenagers are gun-totin' thugs.  |  IP: Logged

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