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Topic: General Motors Issues A Recall Of 254,000 2000-2003 Saturn L-Series Cars.
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William Leland III
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Posts: 336
From: Charleston, SC,
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 06-25-2003 03:44 PM
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The recall is to replace ignition modules and spark plugs. Apparently, Some of these vehicles may misfire, which could lead to failures in the exhaust system. If the initial condition is not fixed and the vehicle continues to be driven, there could be further damage to the brakes,
How can a bad spark plug and ignition modules have anything to do with the brakes? In other words your car was built defective and we are trying to cover our butts before the law suits come.
I use to drive a 94 Mazda B2300, which is a Ford, in Mazda badges. I only had one problem on the way to 110,000+ miles, the check engine light came on for no reason. That was all. It is still a great little truck. I would by own again if i needed a truck.
Ford had made some good models like the F series, but there cars well need some work.
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Will Kutler
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Posts: 1506
From: Tucson, AZ, USA
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 06-25-2003 05:21 PM
Michael S.
You were correct about Henry Ford being an anti-Semite!
Old Henry was one hell of an innovator, but he was a real bastard! Look at how he treated his son, Edsel. Not to mention the infamous Harry Bennet!
Ford did publish the Protocals of the Elders of Zion.
Not to defend him, but Ford had plants all over the globe, many of which came under Axis influence. But he did contribute a lot to the U.S. war effort.
Henry II has done a lot to try ease ties with the Jewish people, and it was said that Henry did have a heart attack while viewing news-reel footage of the death camps.
FoMoCo has published a history of the company to commemorate FoMoCo's 100th birthday. I was impressed that the book does cover Ford's relationship with the Jewish people, as well as the infamous Harry Bennet.
But I do love my '65 Falcon Ranchero! Yes...I do love classic Ford's...the 289/302/351C has always been a great and reliable engine!
Don B. mentioned "Risk Management". true,true! Furthermore, notice how the Big Three forced innovators like Tucker out of business because they were a threat. If one only knew how many patents these companies have on the shelf...they of course do not introduce everything at once...it is a part of another aspect "Failure Analysis"...and also being able to constantly market new products over a period of decades. For example, look at Duesenberg...the Model "J" was a straight eight with dual overhead cams and four valves per cylinder. After Duesenberg's demise, who ever saw any of these designes in production cars? Finally, in the late 1980's and early 1990's, Detroit reintroduced these old designes and called them "new technology"!
Here is one I will never forget. In 1972 or 1973, my parents purchased a brand-new Pontiac 4 door Tempest (a low end GTO) Right from the factory the car would not startand my Dad left the car at the dealership for repairs. He got a call the the car was repaired and in working order, so he went to the dealership to pick it up. He was stunned and pissed to find that the hood and front end were badly damaged on this brand new car. The dealerships excuse for the damage was that they could not get the hood open! Anyhow, the car never did run right and was always a problem. My Dad knew that the problem lie with the carburator, but the dealership refused to touch it and continued to dick with everything under the sun. My folks finally traded the Pontiac in for a 1974 AMC Hornet station wagon with a 232 straight 6. Another pain-in-the-ass car. The distributor is mounted low and on the side of this engine...that had a fairly open engine compartment. God help you if it was raining and you went through a puddle...no matter how small! The joints and body seals on this car were not at all great, and everything always rattled like mad! Furthermor, whenever it was driven out of its native enviornment it would without fail crap out...A weekend outing always consisted of having a few gallons of spare anti-freeze, new radiator hoses, tools and other misc goodies!
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Bruce McGee
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From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular.
Registered: Aug 1999
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posted 06-25-2003 09:10 PM
I love my Ford F-150 truck. It's a 1984 work truck with nearly 300k on it. I am getting ready to replace the original radiator. It still has the original engine, a rebuilt 300 6-cylinder.
I have never liked Ford cars.
I used to own Chryslers. First car was a 1967 Plymouth Fury VIP with a 440 engine. Wish I still had it!
First GM car was a 1966 Pontiac GTO. This was a really good car, except for the gas mileage. Had 3-2bbl carbs on it!
I also currently have a 1985 Olds Toronado. This one is the last of the forward-facing V8 engine front-wheel-drive cars. It is not a large car, but it is a heavy car. There is waay too much plastic on it to suit me, but it does run well, and has 101k on it with no problems to speak of.
Since gas is insane these days, I drive a 1986 Pontiac Grand AM to work. It uses the little 151 cu in. engine with fuel injection. Scoots like a bat out of hell! It is a real rust-bucket, and has almost 250k on it. I'm going to run it until it dies. It's easy to work on. It's a ruster because the original owner was from up north where they salt the roads more than they do here.
I have never owned a GM truck. I just dont like them. All the ones I see around here that are getting some age on them are rusted pretty bad.
The Ford Pinto was vastly better than that damn Chevy Vega!
I agree with the Chevette comments. Remember when they came out? I drove one and was appalled with the lack of power. The one I drove had A/C and the speed would drop by 10-15 mph when the compressor cycled. What were they thinking at GM?
I drive all these old cars because I feel like it is a big rip-off to pay the kinds of money that the manufacturers want for the junky cheap feeling cars that I see today. I paid $14,000 for my 1985 Oldsmobile. It was my last new car. I still feel that this car was not really worth that amount.
I dread buying a car again. The ones I have will not last forever, I know.
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William Hooper
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From: Mobile, AL USA
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-26-2003 01:07 AM
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My new wife (of almost 6 years now) drives a 93 Saturn with almost 200k miles on it. With the exception of the headliner falling and a leaking sunroof, it's been a great little car.
If they can put a man on the moon, why can't they get post-1980 headliners to stay up? Recall those, I say!
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Ford had the Pinto. GM had Chevy Vega. Chrysler had those abominable K-Cars. Toyota's early 6-cylinder engines were notoriously unreliable. Honda Oddyssey vans go through transmissions like most people change their socks. There's plenty of examples of bad products from just about all the major car companies.
In the mid & late 1970s, you'd see Fiat X1/9's & those mid-engined Porsches littering the shoulders of the US interstates. They were everywhere, you got where you didn't even really see them. They were like beer cans on the side of the road. I can think of no other makes over the decades that were such dense, uniform, constant abandoned road trash.
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The reason American automobiles are more poorly constructed is that we comparative to income pay less for our cars than other countries. As impossible as it sounds. Also most countries do not have room for junkyards and their governments place sanctions on companies that produce a failing product.
A great example of this is the Yugo. They were actually pretty good cars (although the transmisssion felt like stirring ![[bs]](graemlins/bs.gif) with a stick), but so cheap that when it came time to replace the timing belt, the parts & labor cost more than the car was worth used! You didn't see them by the side of the road so much; people walked away from them at the mechanics'. I think some of the earliest ones imported to the US had catalytic converters that failed quickly, but other than that, they were very sturdy & reliable.
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