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Author Topic: Mel Gibson's Film On Death of Jesus Creates Controversy Before Premier Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-03-2003 06:02 PM                     I distinctly remember walking by the Cheri theater in Boston and seeing a bunch of nuns "praying" in front of the marquee. I think Last Temptation was an OK movie but I NEVER would have gone to see it if wasn't for those nuns. Later, I found out that they were either paid or somehow "put up to it" by the film company.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 08-03-2003 07:38 PM                        The film didn`t show anything controversial as happening - it was the last temptation given in by the devil that was shown. I just couldn`t work out how stupid those people had to be who didn`t understand that but at the same time thought they were in the position to tell others that this was "bad".  |  IP: Logged Jon Bartow Master Film Handler Posts: 287 From: Massachusetts Registered: Nov 1999 posted 08-03-2003 08:55 PM                     Amen Oscar! Preach it!  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-03-2003 09:05 PM                  I agree Mike. I vote the "management" open a sub-board so all the Bible-thumpers have one place to post rather than interjecting their views on all of us. >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-03-2003 11:02 PM                     I interpreted Last Temptation as the whole movie being a giant series of flash-backs. The REAL plot of the movie was not that Jesus had temptations. He did. No question about that. The Bible says so. No, the plot of the movie was about Jesus, at the moment of his (physical) death, looking back upon his life and thinking, "I COULD have done these things but I didn't because I must lead Mankind into Heaven. At any time up to the moment of his death, Jesus COULD have said, "No! I am NOT the Son of God!", and the Pharases would have cut him down from the cross and let him go free. THAT's what the "Last Temptation" was. People who get hung up over the scene(s) where Jesus gets "taken in" by worldly temptations just don't get it.  |  IP: Logged Oscar Neundorfer Master Film Handler Posts: 275 From: Senoia, GA Registered: May 2000 posted 08-04-2003 08:41 AM                        Phil said, "I vote the "management" open a sub-board so all the Bible-thumpers have one place to post rather than interjecting their views on all of us." Why? Everyone else in these forums "interjects" their views on whatever topics they choose. Just because you don't appear to like my view does not mean I should be relegated to some "sub-board". But this is, after all, Brad's property, and he alone makes the rules. There is no voting. This forum is NOT a democracy. Should he decide to make a sub-board or to eliminate all such discussion, that is totally his prerogative. I willingly accept his rules. The very first post in this topic had these words, "portrayed Jews as "Christ killers". My post seemed quite relevant to this. I was pointing out the Biblical point of view (at least from my perspective) on who the Christ killers really are. You are certainly free to accept or reject my opinion on this. At least my view leaves wide open the possibility that Jews and Christians (and for that matter everyone) can peacefully co-exist without one group blaming another for killing Christ. I have never been called a Bible thumper before. So, Phil, I must thank you for the high, though most certainly unintended, compliment.  |  IP: Logged Harry Robinson Expert Film Handler Posts: 155 From: Franklin Tennessee Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-04-2003 09:35 AM                     A belated amen to Oscar. And I'll defend Phil's right to his opinion to the death.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-04-2003 03:02 PM                  Oscar, I'm not slamming you or the Bible. Matter of fact, I read it usually everyday and have for at least the last 15 years. I even carry one to read when I travel. I just don't go around "thumping" it. You said: "….though most certainly unintended, compliment." How do you know what my intent was? Practice what you preach and not judge. Also, I'm so happy you pointed out who owns this system… all the time I thought it was the C.I.A. BTW: If you would have taken the time to notice the "evil smile" at the end of my post you MIGHT have gained some insight to Ummm.... "sarcastic humor". You really need to lighten up a bit...it's a big world out there. At this rate, maybe this thread should be moved to the Political BS board. >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Bob Maar (Maar stands for Maartini) Posts: 28608 From: New York City & Newport, RI Registered: Feb 2001 posted 08-04-2003 03:07 PM                        PHIL, I plan on interjecting my view when I see the movie and after I drink a martini, on your private e-mail. I might even post it. Stirring the pot! Do I win?  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 08-04-2003 04:02 PM                       You're a good man, Oscar. Well said. It's to the point these days that a guy can't even make a religious film without being crucified! Phil sed: quote: Matter of fact, I read it usually everyday and have for at least the last 15 years. I even carry one to read when I travel. I'm happy to hear that, Phil. NOW STOP TELLING US you read the Bible! You're spreading your religion, and destroying my image of you!  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-04-2003 04:09 PM                  Tim said: quote: It's to the point these days that a guy can't even make a religious film without being crucified! I like that Tim...it's hilarious! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Ron Keillor Expert Film Handler Posts: 166 From: Vancouver, B.C. Canada Registered: Jul 2003 posted 08-04-2003 04:52 PM                     In Aramaic and Latin? No subtitles? Why not shoot it silent? I don't think any town outside the Vatican has a population fluent in either language to warrant promoting the film to ethnic groups. BTW, this would not the first feature in Latin: that was Derek Jarman's SEBASTIANE.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 08-04-2003 05:05 PM                     Religion is a terrible subject to try and moderate. No matter what the decision is, there will always be people who get offended by what is said. Per the rules of the forum "religious posts are not permitted". That's all that is written in there about it. A light comment here and there won't and has not been moderated, but religious discussions in general tend to anger people who don't agree with other people's views and quite simply aren't worth the effort and do not belong here. Remember, no matter what your belief is and no matter how much of the majority vote your beliefs are, there will always be others who will strongly disagree. Therein lies the problem that by the time a discussion starts offending people, it is too far out of hand and then everyone blames me for closing or deleting a thread prohibiting their "freedom of speech". Religion is the one subject that's just not worth dealing with. Religion is too personal of a topic with most people. The jest of it is that a comment here and there is fine, but please no "preaching" and preferably no quoting of passages, regardless of what god or belief it is toward. If members find themselves needing to respond to someone's post regarding religion, it's time to lock it or delete the thread. Please remember this is a website about movies and cinema. A google search will turn up hundreds of appropriate places for religious discussions. These general policies should not affect everyone's ability to continue this discussion if everyone's posts are worded with other people's beliefs in mind. Thus far there haven't been any problems and I thank you in advance for keeping it professional.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 08-04-2003 08:26 PM                        You are right, Brad. So let us keep this discussion to the filmic (is there such a word in English?) aspects of this. I love the fact that they shot in "original" languages. I am not sure about the (lack of) subtitles, though. Sure, everyone knows the story, and a lot of the meaning is transported in gestures and tone. But the finer points of what people say in the movie will not be accessible. Apparently Gibson is designing this as a mystic experience where the dialog is just part of the texture of sights and sounds, not carrying the story forward. Which, again is not really necessary. But it will be very interesting to watch and hear. I have never heard Aramaic and have no real idea what sounds like. Also, it will be interesting to see (hear) how they recreate classic Latin. Of course, we do not know exactly what Latin sounded like, but there are many indications as to the pronunciation of most sounds. I believe that spoken Latin should have some of the melody and inflection of Italian.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-04-2003 08:49 PM                  No Matter how good the film is, it will fail without English subtitles... >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged

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