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Michael Coate
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Well, if you want to put it on a technicality standpoint then you are probably right.
What's the technicality?

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Question is are all those rental figures based on there original release or all the re-releases thrown in.
It probably incorporates re-releases. I'd have to check but I imagine subtracting any re-release revenue would still leave the original grosses above $100 million. Maybe not, though.

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ALso would that number be all the grosses or the, as you say, Rental for the film.
Not sure what you mean here.

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Aaron Sisemore
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I stand corrected, my bad: The Jedi trailer was attached to the print- The TRAILER for the summer '82 reissue of 'SW:ANH' mentioned 'A first glimpse of the new SW film 'Revenge...' (or something along those lines) They made it sound like it was going to be more than 'just a trailer'.

I ran the summer '82 SW:ANH at the drive-in. I ran ESB in its summer '81 re-release.

And you are right; my post had nothing to do with the first film to open in 1000 theatres. [Roll Eyes]

-Aaron

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Michael Coate
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I ran the summer '82 SW:ANH at the drive-in. I ran ESB in its summer '81 re-release.
So what you're saying is: if you didn't run it, then it never happened?! [Smile]

Just so this doesn't become a point of contention in the future...

Pre-Special Edition, Original Trilogy re-releases:

Star Wars:
July 21, 1978*
August 15, 1979
April 10, 1981
August 13, 1982

The Empire Strikes Back:
July 31, 1981
November 19, 1982

Return Of The Jedi:
March 29, 1985
(preceded on 3/28 with nine-city triple feature)

*final seven weeks of original release....an "extended first-run" or "saturation mop-up run" with then-record 1,700+ prints, which I exempted from my original question due to feeling this was a special case: the movie ended with over 1,000 prints but didn't open with that many. I was curious about which movie opened with a nationwide, saturation-type release with over 1,000 engagements.

There were also some selected-market double and triple features at various times, mostly between '82 - '84.

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Darryl Spicer
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the technicallity would only be if the numbers used to report Jaws was the complete gross given when it broke the mark. In other words when they reported the film breaking $100,000,000 was that only the rental fees reported or was that the actual gross of the film.

Some info that I stumbled onto shows that films like Every wich way but loose opened in over 1000 theaters. That was 1978.

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Ron Lacheur
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I recall something being mentioned on the documentary on the Jaws DVD stating it was the first to the $100 million mark.

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Tim Reed
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Steve said:
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The original Billy Jack was four-walled with saturation advertising
Yes, Steve, only it wasn't to save on prints -- in those days, most movies only ever had a handful of prints struck to begin with (comparitively speaking). Laughlin's biography describes how, after WB failed to promote the movie as well as he thought they should have, he bought the movie back from them so he could four-wall it. And the rest is history.

"The Trial of Billy Jack" was Laughlin's baby all the way, and he released it himself through his Taylor-Laughlin Corp. He was the first one to do a national advertising campaign on a single movie, opening in mulitple theatres across the country simultaneously. He related how he stood in a warehouse, amongst the many hundreds of new prints of "Trial", and wondered if he'd made a huge mistake.

I recall it was close to 1,000 prints (of a 9 reel movie!)... a record print order at the time.

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Paul Linfesty
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Thr Trial of Billy Jack opened on November 13, 1974, in what Variety claimed "may be the largest national saturation launch of any pic in memory." It opened on 1300 screens and grossed $11 million. The total U.S. gross was $35 million or so in the United States. While Tom Laughlin 4-walled the film, WB handled the distribution chores.

One has to remember when comparing box-office gross to rentals, the distributor share has grown tremendously in recent years, now hovering, as Michael Coate stated, around 60 percent. However, back in the mid-70's, the aggregate rental (when all engagements of all kinds of films, (A, B, C, drive-ins, 1st, second, third, sub-runs, and second feature status) added up, the figure was around 37 percent. Of course, blockbuster films commanded more.

By opening Jaws wide, however, Universal did not get a lot of prime theatres, who refused to play films on a non-exclusive basis. In Hollywood, for example, it played the Pix Theatre, off the beaten path (by a few blocks). In San Francisco, it played the Coliseum, another theatre not in the major-tier of locations.

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Darryl Spicer
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here is an ad from our newspaper that ran 4-10-1981 for the star wars re-release.

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Tim Reed
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Thr Trial of Billy Jack opened on November 13, 1974, in what Variety claimed "may be the largest national saturation launch of any pic in memory."
I knew it was a lot of prints. Guess that's the answer, then. Thanks, Paul!
[Smile]

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Paul Linfesty
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Jaws was the first film to top the $100,000,000 mark thus becoming the first summer blockbuster.
According to IMDB, the U.S. rental on SOM was 79.9 million, just where Michael Coate said it was. This translated to a box office gross of $163,214,286. Assuming this figure is correct, the vast majority of it would have been earned prior to the release of Jaws (SOM's last really big national re-issue was in 73-74).
Doctor Zhivago earned $60,954,000 in rentals from a domestic box-office of $111,722,000. Again, no really large re-issue happened after the era of Jaws.

IMDB also shows Gone With the Wind earning $79,375,000 from a total U.S. gross of $191,749,436. Surely at least $100 million of this came in before 1975.

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Paul Linfesty
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Jaws was the first film to top the $100,000,000 mark thus becoming the first summer blockbuster.
According to IMDB, the U.S. rental on SOM was 79.9 million, just where Michael Coate said it was. This translated to a box office gross of $163,214,286. Assuming this figure is correct, the vast majority of it would have been earned prior to the release of Jaws (SOM's last really big national re-issue was in 73-74).
Doctor Zhivago earned $60,954,000 in rentals from a domestic box-office of $111,722,000. Again, no really large re-issue happened after the era of Jaws.

IMDB also shows Gone With the Wind earning $79,375,000 from a total U.S. gross of $191,749,436. Surely at least $100 million of this came in before 1975.

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Darryl Spicer
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Well, I know Mike is looking into this as we write. The issue is this. The numbers that they used to report Jaw's breaking the hundred million mark. Did they use theater rental numbers or like they do today did they use the full total gross. Another thing the mark was broken on the films original release, no re-releases included. The other films mentioned included re-releases.

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Michael Coate
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Paul wrote:
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According to IMDB, the U.S. rental on SOM was 79.9 million, just where Michael Coate said it was.
Except that I didn't get the figure from the IMDb. [Smile] I prefer not referencing that site whenever possible. Or when I must, I try to find a second source.

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This translated to a box office gross of $163,214,286.
That would mean the film's rental wasn't even 50 percent of the gross.

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Assuming this figure is correct, the vast majority of it would have been earned prior to the release of Jaws
True, although the question here is whether it hit $100 million in its initial release, which I would define as both the roadshow/reserved seat engagement run and the general release that followed.

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(SOM's last really big national re-issue was in 73-74).
The Sound Of Music also had a summer 1978 re-release, and although that was after the release of Jaws, I suspect that release's boxoffice tally is included in the figures we've been throwing around.

Darryl wrote:
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The issue is this. The numbers that they used to report Jaw's breaking the hundred million mark. Did they use theater rental numbers or like they do today did they use the full total gross.
It would have been the full gross. The trades generally reported the full boxoffice take in their weekly articles and news items. Variety also had an annual (and semi-regular) listing of the all-time boxoffice champs, and that listing was typically ranked according to the rental rather than gross.

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Well, I know Mike is looking into this as we write.
Watch this space for an update in a few days.

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Paul Linfesty
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Except that I didn't get the figure from the IMDb. I prefer not referencing that site whenever possible. Or when I must, I try to find a second source.

Of course, in this case, they DID match up. So what was YOUR second source, Michael? (I gave two sources, you AND IMDB for the 79 million rental figure [Smile] ).

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Michael Coate
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So what was YOUR second source, Michael?
My second source varies depending on what info I happen to be looking up on IMDb. I find that site to be great for some info, terrible for others. In the case of this boxoffice discussion, I didn't even go to the IMDb; my figure for The Sound Of Music (and The Godfather and The Exorcist) came from The Hollywood Reporter Book Of Box Office Hits, which I identified in a previous post in the thread.

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