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Author Topic: MAC OS X Film-Tech access problem Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 09-16-2003 08:22 PM                        Yes - probably. To be more specific I'd have to know what doesn't work about it or what errors you get, etc.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 09-17-2003 02:36 AM                        It's that whole HTTP referrer thing. I'm not sure how Safari and Camino work, but when you press the BACK button, Film-Tech sees it as if the browser was trying to go straight to that page from some other site instead of directly from Film-Tech. Film-Tech will only allow you to gain entry from the main page (unless...) and you get the NO BOOKMARKING 404 error otherwise.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-17-2003 10:43 AM                     Fix it! Fix it! Pleeeeeeeease?  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 09-17-2003 11:24 AM                        Write them and complain that their java engine doesn't work right. Forward and back actions have nothing to do with the HTTP_REFERER, btw.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-17-2003 11:37 AM                     Daryl: You're killing me here! Is there something specific you'd like me to tell them or will "java engine not working right" suffice C'mon guys...throw me a fricking bone here...tell me what to tell them. This is a classic call for some cut-and-paste action. I'm beggin' you. Do you need me to get down on my knees???  |  IP: Logged Martin Brooks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 900 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 09-17-2003 11:55 AM                        quote: OS 9 does that as well, Daryl. What if a web page were that exact shade of blue (or very similar)? You would have no idea what you were highlighting. It is a flaw built in to Mac OS X. HTML and XHTML web pages generally control text and highlight colors within the page, not the OS. Example: A:link { text-decoration: none; color: #a5d8ff; } A:visited { text-decoration: none; color: #6587ac; } A:hover { text-decoration: underline; color: #FFFFFF; background: #7597b3; }  |  IP: Logged Matt Hale Expert Film Handler Posts: 123 From: Vancouver, Canada Registered: Dec 2002 posted 09-17-2003 01:22 PM                        Sometimes you get the no bookmarks warning, and sometimes it just dumps you back to the main page. It seems to be random, but the behaviour is common to all browsers that use Apple's Web Core html rendering engine. Web Core is based on the khtml engine from the kde desktop environment for linux. I dont have access to a kde linux rig at the moment but it would be interesting to know if the same thing happens there. Anyone read film-tech in konquerer?  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 09-17-2003 01:54 PM                        Daryl, in this case the HTTP_REFERRER does indeed have something to do with those buttons. Or why else would we get the 404 page when we used it? I guarantee you my life if you got rid of it, the problem would go away. The Java works better in Safari and Camino than it does in the Windows version of Opera. Martin, that is not true. You are talking about hyperlinks, not general text. And yes, it is the OS that changes the text color so you can read it when you highlight it. Again it is a flaw in the Mac OS, one they could change with probably one new (short) line of code. Apple is just too lazy. Check it out: Mac OS X can't even do THAT!  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 09-17-2003 02:34 PM                        Manny, I'm sure the decision to stray from spec was a conscious decision of the developers. Why did they do it? They probably couldn't figure out how to make it work right... or they had some other, possibly valid, reason. Regardless, I seriously doubt that they would act on any suggestion regarding this issue. However, you could tell them that the browser does not process javascript the same way when you hit the back button as it does when you first load a page. More specifically, certain environment variables (which are available going forward) aren't available / processed when you go backwards. It's likely that they might not even have control over this, as they probably didn't write their java engine (which may or may not be the cause of the problem). There's a few browsers out there that all exhibit this problem, so I am leaning towards it being a third-party issue with the engine. Regardless, I currently have code written to resolve this issue that is currently undergoing performance testing. As soon as I get enough spare time I'll implement it. Joe, I too guarantee you that it has nothing to do with the HTTP_REFERER (and certainly not the HTTP_REFERRER) since the HTTP_REFERER value is not used to enforce the bookmarking rules. quote: A:link { text-decoration: none; color: #a5d8ff; } A:visited { text-decoration: none; color: #6587ac; } A:hover { text-decoration: underline; color: #FFFFFF; background: #7597b3; } That doesn't have much to do directly with HTML, XHTML, DHTML, or whatever other fancy markup language you can find. It's CSS. BTW, except for the white, those aren't web-safe colours.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 09-17-2003 05:09 PM                        Text in this post deleted by me, Joe Redifer. I don't seem able to delete individual posts, only entire threads. But I e-mailed my comments to Daryl.  |  IP: Logged Martin Brooks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 900 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 09-18-2003 02:55 PM                        quote: That doesn't have much to do directly with HTML, XHTML, DHTML, or whatever other fancy markup language you can find. It's CSS. It can be CSS, but it can also be embedded into each page. I've used it both ways. But Joe is right..it has nothing to do with text, only links -- that was a stupid error on my part. However, I've NEVER experienced the problem that Joe is talking about. I suppose I would if the text color was exactly the same as my OS X highlight color, but it's never happened. Joe: are you sure you don't have your highlight color selected as white? And as for web-safe colors, it's no longer necessary to support them unless you still want to support 8-bit monitors, which haven't been made in years. Fewer than 10% of users have 8-bit monitors and I, for one, am not going to aesthetically impair the sites to support those people. Their computers are so old, that pages probably look like crap anyway -- a little dithering isn't going to make things that much worse.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 09-18-2003 04:33 PM                        My highlight color is grey. It is odd that the default is black (which couldn't be a worse choice since most text is black). PS - The "back" button (and forward) seems to work perfectly fine in Camino. Not so in Safari. Too bad Safari is the default browser, as it is markedly inferior.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-18-2003 10:34 PM                     Agreed! The only thing I like in Safari that Camino doesn't have is "Snap Back". I think Camino has some way to do a "search bar" but I never use it. I suppose, if I knew how to turn it on I'd use it. It's just as easy, though, to type, "Google" in the URL bar, hit return, type the search terms and hit return. Safari has a few nice bells and whistles but Camino has just as many and I like it better.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 09-18-2003 10:39 PM                        Every time I open up Safari, it defaults to 1/4 to 1/2 way off the screen (usually to the right). What's up with that?  |  IP: Logged

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