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Ron Yost
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 - posted 11-20-2003 04:12 PM      Profile for Ron Yost   Email Ron Yost   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thank you for the info, Jack. [Smile]

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Joe Beres
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I must have missed this topic the first time around. This sounds great. I have had so many problems with my phone line at home, and I am looking forward to getting rid of that landline. I have a Linksys Wireless Access Point with a 4 port router (BEFW11S4) at home. It is connected to my cable modem, a desktop pc, and wirelessly to my laptop. Has anyone ever used Vonage with this sort of equipment? Vonage says it should work, but I thought I'd ask some of you to see if there have been any hardware conflicts.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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It'll work. You'll have to open a (few) port(s) on your router's firewall or put the ATA in the DMZ.

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Jack Ondracek
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 - posted 11-21-2003 03:35 PM      Profile for Jack Ondracek   Author's Homepage   Email Jack Ondracek   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hmmmm what ports would those be? I didn't have to do anything... just plug it in. Maybe I've got something more opened up than I should?? Nope... just checked. No port forwarding or DMZ configurations here.

I'm using the 4-port Netgear RP614 cable/dsl router on this side of my cable modem. I didn't have to open any ports to make the Vonage ATA work.

Joe: You may not want to tie yourself down quite this much, but Vonage does have a real cheap package that you can use, if you're willing to use your PC (headset/soundcard) instead of "real phones". Regardless, it's a pretty good deal & we're happy with it so-far. The price is certainly right!

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Jason Burroughs
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Some models of the Linksys routers, such as the BEFSX41, are pretty locked down. For Vonage to work properly there's a few ports that need to be forwarded to the adapter's IP address.
5060 to 5061 ----- UDP
123 --------- UDP
69 ------------UDP
53 ------------ UDP
10000 to 20000 ---UDP

Alternately you can put the adapater in the DMZ.

Other routers that aren't quite as restrictive (Such as the NetGear) do not need to have port forwarding configured.

Supposedly Vonage is now sending out some Motorola adapter units that acutally sit outside of your local network, between your modem and router.

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Jack Ondracek
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Interesting.
Thanks for the info, Jason.

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Mike Williams
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Can you assign a static IP to the ATA? If not, wouldn't port forwarding become pretty dicey if it is on DHCP behind a linksys?
The reason I ask is I know anytime the router is reset (like for a power outage), it assigns new IP addresses to everything on DHCP. How do you determine the address of the ATA short of pinging every possible address on your home network?

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Jeff Joseph
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Has anyone tried Vonage with a satellite modem (Dishnet/DirecTV)?

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Scott Norwood
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Mike--most DHCP servers allow you to specify that anything with a given MAC (hardware) address should be given a specific IP address at all times. This is easy with ISC dhcpd (the standard software-based DHCP server implementation), and many home router/NAT boxes support something like this as well. You just specify the MAC address of the ATA and whatever IP address it should get.

DHCP does create an additional point of failure that wouldn't exist if fixed IP addresses were assigned, so it's probably a good idea to set a very long DHCP lease time if you can't assign a fixed IP address on the ATA itself.

Jeff--I'd be interested in the answer to your question as well. I doubt it would work, as the latency (response time) is quite terrible with satellite connections, even though the actual transfer rates can be fairly respectable.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote:
static IP to the ATA? If not, wouldn't port forwarding become pretty dicey if it is on DHCP behind a linksys?

Yah... this gets a little out of my area, but I don't think everything on a DHCP net necessarily gets rearranged if the power goes out... at least, mine didn't before I started locking down the addresses at each computer.

I've had my ATA operating 2 routers away from the cable modem, and it hasn't had any trouble booting up.

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Has anyone tried Vonage with a satellite modem (Dishnet/DirecTV)?
I haven't, but offhand, I wonder how reliable it would be. If it did work, you need 90k of bandwidth for each line. They have a 'bandwidth compression' mode you can use, but the quality is pretty bad, and you get tired of it fast. I'd bet the conversation would lag worse than a cell phone, too... pretty distracting.

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Jeff Joseph
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I just bought a Vonage unit for the office (where we have DSL); I'll take it home at some point and try the satellite set up...

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Jason Burroughs
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The DHCP sever on the Linksys routes is pretty loose. As long as the ATA remains on, then it will always keep the same IP Address.

The satellite idea sounds interresting, but I don't know that it would work. Like Scott said latency could be a HUGE issue. Vonage's website specificaly says that it doesn't work on Satellite, but who knows [Smile]

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