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Aaron Sisemore
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There are three roundabouts/traffic circles here in Petaluma... It appears to be the new fad around here, rather than a 4-way traffic light, just build a roundabout! [Roll Eyes]

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Saw Mill River Parkway history

DESIGN CHANGES: The widening plans of the 1950's and 1960's were never implemented, but a number of measures have been undertaken to improve safety and traffic flow on the Saw Mill River Parkway in the decades since then. The East Hudson Parkway Authority undertook these measures throughout the 1960's and 1970's.

The most notable of the changes by the East Hudson Parkway Authority was the construction of the three-level "half-stack" interchange with the Taconic State Parkway (EXIT 26) between 1969 and 1972. The interchange, which has crossover ramps on the center level, provides only parallel connections (i.e., north-to-north, south-to-south); reverse connections are not provided. It replaced the dangerous "Hawthorne Circle" at this location.

Roundabout safety
From the September 2002 issue of New Urban News

Study demonstrates roundabouts’ safety

A study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety has determined that roundabouts — popular among many New Urbanist designers — are much safer than other kinds of intersections.

The Institute examined 24 intersections in eight states that were converted from stop signs or traffic signals between 1992 and 1997. The results that emerged are remarkably favorable:

• Vehicular accidents overall declined 39 percent.
• Accidents resulting in injuries fell 76 percent.
• Accidents resulting in death or incapacitating injury plunged 90 percent.

“Roundabout construction should be strongly promoted as an effective safety treatment for intersections,” said the four-person team of Bhagwant N. Persaud, Richard A. Retting, Per E. Garder, and Dominique Lord.

For years some New Urbanists have promoted roundabouts, or traffic circles, as an alternative to standard intersections controlled by stop signs or traffic signals. Now the Insurance Institute has weighed in with a highly encouraging, mathematically sophisticated before-and-after study of “modern roundabouts” in urban, suburban, and rural settings in California, Colorado, Florida, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, South Carolina, and Vermont.

A modern roundabout, according to the Institute, is a circle “designed for very low traffic speeds, about 15 mph.” Entrances and exits are curved so that motorists must travel slowly — far different from the rotaries of decades ago, which typically allowed drivers to enter at 35 mph or faster. The Institute says a modern roundabout typically needs to be about 100 feet across so that it can be properly designed to slow the entering traffic.

Other safety factors
Though reduced speeds help explain roundabouts’ safety, other factors in their success are the elimination of left turns against oncoming traffic, the elimination of right-angle collisions, and a reduction in rear-end collisions. Raised “splitter” islands divide the roadway at the entrances and exits, providing refuge for pedestrians and at the same time separating opposing traffic. The Institute says roundabouts may help reduce traffic delays, vehicle emissions, fuel consumption, and noise. They can save local governments money by avoiding the need to buy, install, and maintain traffic signals.

After a long period of being out of favor among traffic engineers, roundabouts have been built in growing numbers in recent years. “We use roundabouts often in both infill and greenfield design,” says Peter Swift of Swift and Associates, town planners and civil engineers in Longmont, Colorado. Roundabouts, Swift says, can accommodate high road capacity, give retail and commercial enterprises valuable exposure to traffic, provide pedestrian comfort, and create “a very safe multi-modal environment,” all at the same time.

That combination makes roundabouts “perhaps the most elegant solution to handling intersections and encouraging pedestrian activity,” Swift says. In many cases, roundabouts make it possible to slim a four- or five-lane signalized intersection into just two lanes plus a median or center turn lane, he notes. With fewer lanes, pedestrians have an easier time crossing the road.

Some designers express reservations. Mike Watkins, head of the Kentlands project in Gaithersburg, Maryland, for DPZ Architects, says a roundabout at the end of Main Street in Kentlands is a problem for pedestrians, especially the elderly, attempting to cross the busy Kentlands Boulevard.

Watkins says one of the virtues of a roundabout — its ability to keep traffic moving — is at odds with the needs of pedestrians who want to cross. In his view, a further disadvantage of roundabouts is that, “the crosswalk is pushed away from the intersection,” creating travel paths that are inconvenient for pedestrians.

Swift says the problem at Kentlands, where the roundabout in question was designed by a local engineer, is an example of an entirely different phenomenon — roundabouts that have been “designed wrong.” The Kentlands roundabout “was designed for relatively high-speed throughput,” Swift says. “There are wrong ways and right ways to design these things.”

In a correctly designed roundabout, pedestrians cross about 20 feet before vehicles enter the circle, Swift observes. Splitter islands, a critical element in slowing the traffic, can be designed with great esthetic interest, as can the roundabout’s center, he points out.

Transportation engineer Walter M. Kulash of Glatting Jackson Kercher Anglin Lopez Rinehart community planners in Orlando says properly designed roundabouts are safer for pedestrians because those on foot need to cross only a single direction of traffic at a time and do not have to be concerned about vehicles turning from unexpected directions. “A roundabout is a less direct route in terms of distance,” Kulash concedes, but the distance is usually more than offset by the fact that pedestrians don’t have to wait for a “walk” signal.

The authors of the Institute study did not have enough data to estimate the effects on pedestrian safety. The Institute said roundabouts are not appropriate for high-volume urban intersections. However, Swift points out that Michael Wallwork, a prolific Florida-based designer of roundabouts, designed a two-lane roundabout in a commercial, mixed-use location in Towson, Maryland, that handles 30,000 to 40,000 vehicles a day safely.

The full report, “Crash Reductions Following Installation of Roundabouts in the United States,” can be found at the Institute’s web site at http://www.highwaysafety.org.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Dick,
Yes the Airport in St. George is on top of a plateu. I did a round trip there from SLC on Mountian West. Was the most fun flight I've ever had....better than most rollercoaster rides in BIG amusement parks. The cockpit door kept poping open...catch must ahve been bad, so I could see ahead on approach. So far as I know no one has ever overshot the runway there. They'd come down on top of some retires home if they did. Mostly retirees down there. The desert lovers version of Palm Beach ya see.
I also service all the movie theatres down there...Mesquite, St. George, Cedar City.

Mark @ CLACO

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William Hooper
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quote:
They call them traffic circles and I think there is a grand total of 2 in the 48 contiguous states
Probably the largest concentration in the US would be their freely-scattered, integral part of Pierre-Charles L'Enfant's design of Washington D.C.

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Paul Mayer
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Just for the record, we've got five traffic circles here in Sin City--two in Summerlin and three in North Las Vegas. Las Vegas drivers are notoriously aggressive and inept so it's not surprising that the two Summerlin circles consistently have some of the highest annual accident counts in the state. The circles were recently striped and had seperator islands installed at the entrances, so we'll see if the smash numbers change.

And there is at least one major SoCal one in Long Beach, CA--I used to live just off the northwest side of it. People there seemed to be a little better at negotiating it.

Maybe it's a simple case of exposure--people get used to them after a time. The Long Beach one has been there since the 1950's; the Summerlin ones are barely over 10 years old.

I like the Las Vegas Review Journal's take on them: Traffic circles are like foreign films. The critics generally love them, but the public would rather see something else. [Smile]

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Paul Cassidy
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Most of the Roundabouts here in Auckland are treated like mini Stockcar racing tracks , the smaller ones seem to have more of a problem than the larger laned ones [scream]

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Paul Cassidy
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Well I have returned from a great trip to the Mainland USA LA Nevada , Arizona and Utah (Drive tru only) sorry not able to meet up with any Techers while there . only a short visit and our hosts kept us busy , visited Salt Lake City and took in all the sites , Driving was good although not too many keep to the speed limit and kept the Bears busy , I did not see where they were hiding but still saw them handing out tickets ???? we had some snow in Ogden and the kids were able to make their first Snow Man , although the fall started again and that soon melted , great place in the West and we will be returning [beer]

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Phil Hill
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Paul, glad you all enjoyed your vacation. [beer]

Hope the next time you'll have some time to meet the boys... [Smile]

>>> Phil

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Paul Cassidy
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Thanks Phil , i plan to take a longer visit next time as there is just too much to see in LA , Nevada and Utah , might just need a Camper Van , we stayed for a short time in Little Rock CA.saw the Aqua Duct and the Fault Line [Eek!]

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Hi Paul, Didn't get your message till this morning but I'm glad the trip went well!! In a lifetime one would only scratch the surface here with all there is to see and do. Please do come back for more highway fun and exploring. Utah needs about 10 times the number of Highway Patrolman than it has. The problem here is that everyone driving has to be first [Eek!] !!! I thought driving in N.Y., and Boston was dangerous but its kids stuff compared to here.....

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Mike Heenan
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Some of the worse drivers I encountered were in Alberquerque NM. Yike that was not a pleasant experience.

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Paul Cassidy
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Sorry Mark that I was not able to contact earlier and meet up at Salt Lake but I was not able to get on the internet on my Lap Top and our hosts PC was not the best and I needed to get on to Film-Tech to get your number , the Egyptian Theatre was being used for live performance at the time I was there "story Telling" and one of the girls at the homw I was staying at was one of the story Tellers , Also loved eating at "Chuck-a-Rama" what a cheap meal for all that food . [Cool]

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