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Scott Norwood
Film God

Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-24-2004 10:11 AM

The issue wasn't one of trying to silence debate. The concern about the political forum is that a) it lead to personal attacks on other members and b) there are plenty of other (more appropriate) places to discuss politics. Since political discussion isn't the primary purpose of Film-Tech (http://www.film-tech.com/), the concern about personal attacks (and the time and effort required to moderate that forum effectively) was the main issue.

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Ian Price
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1714
From: Denver, CO
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-24-2004 01:40 PM

Joe,

That was the single greatest post ever written!

[thumbsup]

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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"

Posts: 4247
From: Bloomington, IN, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 02-24-2004 02:28 PM

Ian,

That was the most politically-transparent post ever written!

[puke]

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Ian Price
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Denver, CO
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posted 02-24-2004 02:31 PM

See?

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Mitchell Dvoskin
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1869
From: West Milford, NJ, USA
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 02-24-2004 02:38 PM

The Political Forum is way too Awesome.

Isn't that a "teaser" subject?

/Mitchell

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Leo Enticknap
Film God

Posts: 7474
From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 02-24-2004 03:03 PM

quote:
'Let's face it, if I really knew anything about politics, then I'd be talking to you in a different capacity.' - Michael Dukakis, in reply to having been asked who he thought would win the Democrat nomination, interviewed on BBC radio last week.

Agreed entirely with Warren and to a certain extent with Chris. Any constructive political debate has to concentrate on issues and ideas as distinct from personalities. Agreed too that this forum is not really about politics, but that politics can't help bubbling up sometimes - hence the reason that a 'one political post per week' rule might help regulate that tendency and focus it constructively.

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Christian Appelt
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 505
From: Frankfurt, Germany
Registered: Dec 2001

posted 02-24-2004 05:42 PM

Keep it open. Better to keep politics out of the other forums (especially Film-Yak). The rules of Film-Tech certainly can be enforced by the same means the moderators and Brad use when people behave hostile and lose their mind.

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Mike Blakesley
Film God

Posts: 12767
From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99

posted 02-24-2004 06:25 PM

quote:
Isn't that a "teaser" subject?

You're dang right it is, plus he's got "Awesome" capitalized. If that isn't another argument for a ban, I don't know what is. [Big Grin]

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 02-24-2004 06:32 PM

Ok then that's it. Joe Redifer, you are hereby BANNED! You will never post here again, until you do. [Razz]

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Film God

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From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from)
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 02-24-2004 06:42 PM

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My feeling is that the moderators have created their own mess by not enforcing existing Film-Tech rules. If someone posts an inappropriate personal attack against another member, their post should be deleted and they should temporarily be suspended.

Here's what it comes down to. EVERY time a moderator moderates anything in that forum. They get emailed by whoever they moderated bitching them out. Then all the other moderators get emailed complaining about the moderator that took action.

In the case one of us has the 'insane' idea of closing an entire thread, we all get an email (or five) from nearly everyone who posted in that thread, plus a few members we've never even heard of.

So the bottom line is we let people do whatever they want OR we take action and end up dealing with literally dozens of emails from pissed off people. I know we all have got better things to do with our time.

Personally, I take little action against anything in that forum since I'm a thick skinned Canadian who can't believe how childish some people are and how they manage to take offense to some things or let other people bother them so much.

quote:
Other than that, my feeling is to leave well enough alone. Speaking as a conservative, I enjoy reading what the "left" is thinking, no matter how wrong or ill informed it is.

Since you feel that it's all the moderators fault, I could resume strictly enforcing the rules by banning you for making a political comment outside of the political forum.

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Phil Hill
I love my cootie bug

Posts: 7595
From: Hollywood, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 02-24-2004 07:22 PM

Daryl: A FYI... I for one, have NEVER bitched in private about some moderator to another moderator! I always publicly bitch! So, blow it out your ass, bub! [Razz]

quote:
Personally, I take little action against anything in that forum since I'm a thick skinned Canadian...

Oh PULEEZE! That's a load of [bs]

!

That's it! No MORE Nachos for you!

>>>Phil

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Floyd Justin Newton
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 02-24-2004 08:05 PM

Hey guys--

Let me know when the smoke clears!

fjn [Wink]

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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"

Posts: 4247
From: Bloomington, IN, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 02-24-2004 08:20 PM

I thought it was a nice idea [ban Phil] to start that forum but I remember Brad saying from the start [ban him now] that he had regrets [that was uncalled-for] and he figured it would someday come back to haunt him [and disrespectful] as soon as it raged out of control. I think the only surprise is [who does he think he is, anyway?] that it lasted as long as it did.

I recall Rachel being "promoted" specifically to moderate that forum [fire her] since none of the other moderators [bunch of loser idiots] was very keen on dealing with a whole political thread [she has failed to maintain order].

No question about it, the political forum was a brave experiment [bad idea] and it could be [shouldn't be] viewed as a kind gesture from the good folks at Film-Tech. It was really a sort of noise filter [prison colony] to ensure that certain views [often hateful, self-centred and ignorant] could be voiced in a place [vacuum] where uninterested members wouldn't have to deal with controversial political issues.

Leave it open [shut it down] otherwise the politics will start showing up again in the Film-Yak forum.

Wouldn't it be great if Joe really was *always* right? [How scary would *that* be?]

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Rachel Craven
Madam Moderator

Posts: 2190
From: Pensacola, FL
Registered: Dec 2000

posted 02-24-2004 08:35 PM

HEY! I kept a good eye on that damn forum for a long time. Only problem, no one listened. People went way too far and it got way out of hand. It shouldn't be the mods position to make adults act like adults. The people that contributed to the forum and acted like children are the reason its shut down right now, not because the mods weren't paying enough attention.

So there! That's what I have to say. [Roll Eyes]

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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 02-24-2004 08:50 PM

Not that Rachel needs the backing, but she really has done a very good job in bringing questionable issues to everyone else's attention and quite a dandy job of moderating as well.

I doubt I'll bring the political forum back. Surely SOMEWHERE on the internet there is a forum specifically for that babble where everyone here can go to complain about how poor our government is being ran. This is a movie related website. The jokes work great here ( [bob]

keeps things [Cool]

), but the politics don't. It's not worth my, or any of the moderators, having to deal with the abusive emails that have been sent trying to keep things under control without "preventing fair speech", etc, etc, etc.

Can anyone recommend a good political website with a forum?

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