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Author Topic: Howard Stern Banned -- Creativity is a dangerous thing... Michael Gonzalez Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 790 From: Grand Island , NE USA Registered: Sep 2000 posted 02-26-2004 07:02 PM                     My views tend to lean more towards the conservative side of things however I also believe in freedom of choice that being said, I think that it is/was stupid to try to ban Howard Stern from the radio. Stern really isn't the main problem anyway. If someone tunes into the Howard Stern show they know exactly what to expect and what kind of show they will be hearing. And thus if they don't want to listen to him then they can turn off the radiostation. The real problem is the wanna be "shock jocks" on the local radiostations. I am sure that those of you that listen to the radio have heard the content of the local radio station's morning shows and afternoon shows and late night shows. It almost dosn't matter what kind of music you listen to, you have to put up with the sometimes offensive contend from the DJ just to hear your favroit song(s). That is where they should really be cracking down.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 02-26-2004 07:11 PM                       I listen to Howard Stern occasionally. The past couple of days, he's devoted a lot of air time expressing his dismay over the recent tightening of broadcast decency standards. And in doing so, he is making his detractor's arguments; that Stern must be crude and vulgar to be funny. I could not believe how bent out of shape he was getting over all this, when the truth be known, he can be funny without using obscenities. He also seemed to be completely overlooking the fact that the FCC is the arbiter of broadcast authority, and that stations are licensed to operate in the public interest. Violating decency edicts is not in keeping with that objective. I understand outrageousness is what put him on the map, but he shouldn't feel the need to constantly be pushing his luck. He no longer has to.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 02-26-2004 07:16 PM                        "Creativity is a dangerous thing..." Maybe there should be a rule about unrelated subject titles to go with teaser titles since creativity and Howard Stern haven't belonged in the same sentence for a good long time.  |  IP: Logged Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 02-26-2004 08:19 PM                     I'm a big Stern fan but the last few years have been a little stale, but I still get a kick out of Robin's news segment, that's always fun. As for Stern's education, he graduated from Boston College with a degree in radio (I think or broadcasting). I'm not sure about the rest of his crew.  |  IP: Logged Robb Johnston Expert Film Handler Posts: 147 From: St. Louis Suburbs Registered: Nov 1999 posted 02-26-2004 08:26 PM                        Well if things continue to go south for the show, at least one of Stern's co-horts has another job lined up. I think I read this week that Stuttering John will be replacing Edd Hall as the announcer on the Tonight Show sometime this year. But then again I may have imagined that  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 02-26-2004 09:31 PM                       quote: I still get a kick out of Robin's news segment, that's always fun. "Heeeeeere comes da NOOOOOZE! Wouldja like ta singa tooooon...." Yep, Stuttering John is going to The Tonight Show, can you believe that?! Howard spent a good day and a half ripping Leno apart over it.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 02-26-2004 11:03 PM                        I never heard his program but I thought the movie was funny.  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 02-27-2004 03:42 AM                        quote: airing sexually graphic material how is that even possible on the radio? carl  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 02-27-2004 07:22 AM                       quote: how is that even possible on the radio? "...do you like anal sex?" "...I'll bet she'd let us bukkake her." "...how often do you masterbate?" "...okay, you get this question wrong, and we get to feel your boobies." ???  |  IP: Logged Bill Enos Film God Posts: 2081 From: Richmond, Virginia, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 02-27-2004 08:08 AM                     Stern was on in this area for 3 years on a non Cheap Channel station. He was dropped when his ratings slipped after other stations started programming with broader appeal, that was 5 or 6 years ago. I found him to be just plain boring, sort of like a kid with his first sexual experience.  |  IP: Logged Martin Brooks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 900 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 02-27-2004 09:49 PM                        You can't have it both ways. The same company that is trying to tone Howard down ( or might actually remove him) is also the company that paid him a gigantic salary and also paid his FCC fines throughout the years. This is a reaction to the Congressional investigation into the Superbowl incident. But there is another issue and that is whether a radio station should broadcast shock-jock radio in the first place. Is this really the best programming they can come up with? For me, I don't have a problem with the idea of talk radio that is about sex and I don't even have a problem with the seven dirty words. My issue is that is the best we can do a show that has the mindset of an immature junior-high-school boy? What ever happened to the concept that conversation that might be acceptable in the street might not be acceptable on the air? I don't believe in government censorship. But I do believe in corporate responsibility. And radio is different than other media because unlike move theaters, for example, the airwaves are owned by the public and traditionally, radio stations were supposed to serve the public interest. But up until these latest incidents, we've been working under the model of "let the market decide." The problem is that the market really isn't given much of a choice when two companies own most of the radio stations in the U.S. The latest sea-change is that radio execs have just become more afraid of congressional investigations than they are of their Boards and stockholders. And much of the current "outrage" is election-year rhetoric. This will all go away after the election, no matter who wins. But between now and then , in order to keep up appearances, some radio managers and some radio jocks will lose their jobs. And Howard may well be sacrificed because even though he's far from the worst offender, he's the most successful and most well-known.  |  IP: Logged John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 02-27-2004 10:28 PM                     I sort of agree with Tim; Stern (IMHO) is actually a pretty smart guy and could probably be funny without being so crude. I think he deserves some credit, anyway, for being able to fill four hours 5 days a week. I do agree he goes for the cheap, quick buck, though. I saw Red Skeleton years ago at Carnegie Hall, and later at Radio City, and he was so funny, with out any gross out jokes or swearing. So, it can be done.....  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 02-28-2004 01:11 AM                        quote: "...do you like anal sex?" "...I'll bet she'd let us bukkake her." "...how often do you masterbate?" "...okay, you get this question wrong, and we get to feel your boobies." that is sexually verbal, not graphic. please post a picture of what you mean. carl  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 02-28-2004 08:18 AM                    1) Doesn't the fact that Mr. Stern has millions (tens of millions?) of listeners indicate that a very large segment of the American public finds it perfectly acceptable that this sort of humor is available on the public airwaves? 2) Given the above, what justification can there be to censor him? That is not to say that a broadcaster, being a private entity, shouldn't be able to choose otherwise. 3) Why don't people who don't like the show simply change the station and not worry about what other people like to hear? Me? I listen to NPR.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-28-2004 08:31 AM                        The only "censorship" that I think might be appropriate in the case of TV/radio broadcasts would involve nonrenewal of the license of one or more stations by the FCC at the normal renewal time. Stations are required to operate "in the public interest" and if another would-be station operator could make the case that he would do a better job of operating in the public interest than an existing one, then the FCC would be perfectly right to revoke the license of the existing station and offer it to the second station. There would, of course, need to be an appeal process,etc. This is only an issue because of limited bandwidth. As such, the airwaves become a public trust (like a national park or something) and need to be regulated so that they can be used best to serve the public interest. In the case of media that don't use limited public resources (newspapers, magazines, books, etc.), there is no justification for government censorship. Of course this also requires review of _all_ of a station's programming, not just particular shows. Censorship of individual programs is just wrong and unnecessary. If people don't like the program, then then shouldn't watch/listen to it.  |  IP: Logged

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