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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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 - posted 07-14-2004 02:38 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hell, even I knew what movie that was, and I've never seen it, nor do I ever want to.

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Ron Yost
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 - posted 07-14-2004 02:51 PM      Profile for Ron Yost   Email Ron Yost   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
1932 was also the year of introduction for Eastman's 3-color (strip) film stocks to be used in the gorgeous Kalmus I.B. Technicolor© process. The stocks were not color, of course, but B&W.

(It also meant the beginning of the studios having to deal with Natalie Kalmus ... a biatch of the first-order, by all accounts ... but that's another story.) [Big Grin]

I don't know how much direct involvement Mr. Eastman had with these stocks and processes, since it was toward the end of his life, but at least he was alive when it was happening.

Anyway, the now-red pre-SP and LPP Eastman stocks -did- serve their purpose, at the time ... providing a much cheaper alternative to I.B. Technicolor© for the studios, which they wanted badly. (Yes, I know, SP hasn't held up very well, either, though I have one 16mm SP short with very nice color.

So, happy birthday to a great man!

Ron Yost .. has a few beet reels hisownself. [Big Grin]

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 07-14-2004 09:15 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Stephen Furley
John, that picture of George Eastman and Thomas Edison is very well known; I believe it was taken in 1928, but I don't know the location, or the circumstances. Do you know anything about it?

http://www.nationaltrust.org/magazine/archives/arc_news/080703.htm

quote:
Thomas Edison and George Eastman met publicly for the first and last time on July 30, 1928, to announce the invention of color movie film. (George Eastman House)

Seventy-five years ago, Thomas Edison and George Eastman, the founder of Kodak, collaborated to create color motion-picture film, a breakthrough 25 years in the making.

Eastman, who invented the film, and Edison, who fashioned the camera, announced the breakthrough at a press conference in the garden of Eastman's Rochester mansion. They treated guests to a glimpse of the first Kodacolor movie: images of a goldfish and a parrot—and, later, to a film of the guests themselves, shot earlier that day.

The George Eastman House threw a party of its own last week. Two hundred people attended the re-enactment of the 1928 "Kodacolor Party" at the Eastman House, a 50-room colonial revival that owns 400,000 historic photographs and negatives and 25,000 movies

I believe the "Kodacolor" being introduced was the lenticular Kodacolor intended for 16mm color motion pictures.

quote: Ron Yost
Anyway, the now-red pre-SP and LPP Eastman stocks -did- serve their purpose, at the time ... providing a much cheaper alternative to I.B. Technicolor© for the studios, which they wanted badly. (Yes, I know, SP hasn't held up very well, either, though I have one 16mm SP short with very nice color.

Film edgemarked "SP" was 5383, the first film for the hotter ECP-2 "short process", introduced in 1974. It did NOT yet have the improved dye stability.

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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 07-14-2004 09:20 PM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Being actually a B&W stock it can be said that Kodak's first color film was fadeproof and it all went downhill from there. [Razz]

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John Pytlak
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SMPTE Recommended Practice RP131 recommends proper long term storage conditions for film, as does standard ANSI/PIMA IT9.11. Proper cool and dry storage greatly extends the life of any film.

quote: Phil Hill
I am soooo tempted to tease John and say that print is on AGFA, but it's on Kodak "modern" stock.

I wouldn't have believed you. Only Technicolor dye transfer would have looked as unfaded as your print on modern Kodak film.

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Kudos to Kodak for always trying to correct their messtakes and making today's film that is indeed hot-stuff and unbelievable!
It wasn't a "messtake". It was the best affordable technology available at that time, and Arrhenius prediction of dye stability was still a new and developing science.

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Dan Lyons
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 - posted 07-15-2004 12:59 AM      Profile for Dan Lyons   Email Dan Lyons   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: John Pytlak was the last to post
I am soooo tempted to tease John and say that print is on AGFA, but it's on Kodak "modern" stock.
haha. Yeah yeah.. thats a DVD grab! [Big Grin]

danny

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John Pytlak
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Danny: If Phil says his image is from a print, I have to take him at his word.

BTW, your faded sample is about the worst case I have ever seen for a print that age. I suspect your print spent many years in very poor storage conditions (e.g., a hot and humid film exchange). [Frown]

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