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Brian Michael Weidemann
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posted 07-25-2004 04:57 PM

I think it's a perfect title. They all tend to fall into the cheesy B-Movie format, but they have a little distinguishing character because of "Empire" or "Jedi" as particular Star Wars things. And I love the parallel to Return of the Jedi. Switching it to "Revenge" obviously makes more sense for the Sith, and it alludes to the original version of the Jedi title. It works, mate!!!

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Adam Wilbert
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posted 07-25-2004 09:51 PM

I always heard that the name change from 'revenge' to 'return' was because of the similarity to Star Trek: the Wrath of Kahn which was released around the same time. ??? Anyway, at least it isn't "Star Wars: Episode III: Return of the King."

haha, look at what I just realized: SWET ROTS. hahaha

-Adam

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Joe Redifer
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posted 07-25-2004 11:58 PM

SPOILER???

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 07-26-2004 06:11 PM

I'll just be glad when the movie is here and gone and we can be done with the whole crap pile for good. (Until the "digital cinema" re-release of the enhanced versions of the original trilogy, that is...or episodes 7, 8 and 9 which Lucas could still "have the vision" to make.)

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Dwayne Caldwell
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posted 07-27-2004 06:00 AM

As I understand it, the story goes that the original title of Episode VI was going to be Revenge of the Jedi. And as Michael pointed out, some of the merchandise even bears the original title. But then they found out Star Trek II's title was going to be Revenge of Kahn. So they changed it to Return of the Jedi. By the time Revenge of Kahn was changed to Wrath of Kahn right before its release, George had already decided Revenge was not a motivation a true Jedi would possess, so they kept the title change.

Personally, I think it's the perfect title. Like Brian, I like the parallel between Revenge and Return, Sith and Jedi. The Jedi's days come to an end as they are overthrown by the Sith Order at the end of the first trilogy, and the Jedi return at the end of the second. And let's not forget what Darth Maul said in TPM (okay, most of you have probably tried to forget [Smile]

.) "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we have will have revenge." The third trilogy would have dealt with the rebuilding of the Jedi with a new Order but that's never going to see the big screen. Unless George changes his mind that is.

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Darryl Spicer
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posted 07-27-2004 09:46 AM

quote: Dwayne Caldwell
As I understand it, the story goes that the original title of Episode VI was going to be Revenge of the Jedi. And as Michael pointed out, some of the merchandise even bears the original title. But then they found out Star Trek II's title was going to be Revenge of Kahn. So they changed it to Return of the Jedi. By the time Revenge of Kahn was changed to Wrath of Kahn right before its release, George had already decided Revenge was not a motivation a true Jedi would possess, so they kept the title change.

Although this makes some sense and I have read it before. It is not true. The Star Wars and Empire 1982 re-releases all featured a trailer for Revenge of the Jedi and the Star Wars 1982 Re-release poster had the Revenge Title included on the poster in one of the corners. Star Trek: Wrath of Kahn was released in mid summer of 1982 and the re-releases of Star Wars and Empire were in late summer early fall of that year. If Lucas had changed his mind early on about the revenge related with Star Trek. These ad materials I think would have had time to reflect his change of mind.

I think in actuality that Star Trek producers decided to change the Title for Star Trek II from revenge to wrath because Lucas had originally anounced that the title would be Revenge of the Jedi. But I think it was just a decision that Lucas made to change it, not based on another films title.

[ 07-27-2004, 12:27 PM: Message edited by: Darryl Spicer ]

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Steve Scott
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posted 07-27-2004 02:26 PM

Continuing the banter, I heard that the Revenge-Return change was based on the fact that a Jedi would not seek revenge.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 07-27-2004 06:12 PM

I don't recall Star Trek II ever being titled "Revenge of Khan". If it was, it must have been very brief. It was originally gonna (yes, "gonna") be titled as: Star Trek II: Da Undiscovered Country. The title was supposed to reflect the characters new journey into middle age or some other such bullshit. Later the title was changed because it was deemed unsuitable for the movie. It makes much more sense on the 6th movie anyway, which was directed by the same asshole.

quote: Darryl Spicer
Although this makes some sense and I have read it before. It is not true.

Dwayne is never wrong, please edit your post to make HIS story the true one. [Smile]

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 07-27-2004 06:46 PM

The original title of Star Trek II was actually "The VENGEANCE of Khan." I was actually alive then unlike many people on this board and I remember it.

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John Wilson
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posted 07-27-2004 07:04 PM

But just to make the whole thing gel SOoooo much better when we watch them all together in sequence (!) on dvd...this from showbizdata.com...

>>
Rumors are spreading on Star Wars fan sites on the Internet that George Lucas is making numerous changes to his original three films prior to their release as "the Star Wars Trilogy" on DVD on Sept. 21. According to Video Store magazine the changes include digitally changing the faces of at least two characters to make them gibe with those in the recent films. Steve Sansweet, head of fan relations for LucasFilm, described the set as versions of the films "as George Lucas sees them today." Some fans have expressed disappointment that the original films, as they were presented theatrically, will not be available on DVD. <<

and then there's aintitcoolnews.com's photo of the new ending of Return Of The Jedi with Hayden Christianson now standing alongside the original group...

More reasons to ignore the 'progress' of this series.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 07-27-2004 07:46 PM

So Darth Vader gets to look all young and strapping, but Obi Wan Kenobi still has to look like a frail old fart?

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John Pytlak
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posted 07-27-2004 07:49 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
So Darth Vader gets to look all young and strapping, but Obi Wan Kenobi still has to look like a frail old fart?

I agree, the photo doesn't make sense. The digitally modified scene is likely just speculation by aintitcoolnews.

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Aaron Garman
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posted 07-27-2004 08:59 PM

I've been hitting some Star Wars forums lately and have stumbled upon some very interesting information. Apparently, there is a downloadable copy of the Return of the Jedi DVD that is coming out Sept. 21. In addition, the other two films have been leaked as well, but only photos and soundbites are surfacing for those. I tell you, I saw a clip ROTJ's ending: it's for real. Hayden is there in all his glory. To make sense out of it, you really would have to analyze too much so I just take it for what it is.

As for some other changes, it looks like they reworked Jabba the Hut in A New Hope, Ian McDiarmid is now the emperor in Empire, that same scene with Vader and the Emperor in ESB has some additional dialouge, Boba Fett's voice has been rerecorded by Temmura Morrison (who played Jango in AOTC), and Naboo has been added to the victory celebration at the end of Jedi. I thought about posting some pictures if that's kosher with the mods, considering the DVDs have yet to be released.

AJG

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Joe Redifer
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posted 07-27-2004 09:09 PM

I have also heard that George had John Williams add the Imperial march theme to Star Wars: A New Hope so that all 6 of the films would have it. Anyone confirm?

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Aaron Garman
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posted 07-27-2004 09:38 PM

According to this person who has the DVD, the Imperial March did not make it. I never thought it was necessary. By the way, if you all want to go looking into the same information I was, check out this site: Millenium Falcon

Here's a peek at one of the pictures.

Also, if this is all legit, theses films are going to looks beautiful on DVD. The image quality really shines compared to the Laserdiscs, which were really quite good.

AJG

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