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Author Topic: Star Wars Episodes 7,8, and 9 Brian Michael Weidemann Expert cat molester Posts: 944 From: Costa Mesa, CA United States Registered: Feb 2004 posted 08-29-2004 08:06 PM                        quote: Michael Schaffer Are you kidding? Convincing CG work: in that they render the whole darned thing, using likenesses of original actors. It wouldn't be convincing as "mistaken for reality" so much (since we're a long way from that, I think), but convincing in the way Shrek was convincing. Everything in it worked with itself, and it was obviously a fantasy world and had a fantasy approach. I'm thinking of a Final Fantasy-type render job (which was stunning, and it was done YEARS ago). Visually, it just worked for its own sci-fi world; and it wouldn't be too hard to simulate Ford, Fisher, & Hamill's likenesses (given whatever permissions, blah blah blah) in that way, with a similar production. It was "convincing" in that I didn't seem distracted by "oh, that was CG ... that wasn't ... that was", since it was ALL a uniform-looking medium. The only movie that comes immediately to mind that I thought actually had what I would call a "convincing" mesh of CGI with principle photography was Fifth Element (and I contribute this to well-done production design). Granted, there weren't human CG characters. But I loved its style. Anyway, if there are no movies after Episode III, I won't even really care. Greed or not, I like the series; but it isn't such a big "part of my life" that I will be less complete if the movies stop, or Episode III is idiotic, or whathaveyou.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 08-29-2004 09:01 PM                        ? It has been some time since I last watched The Fifth Element, but I don't remember any CG characters. quote: Dennis Benjamin My point of all this is: I am a huge fan of the original 3 movies. The rest was all about G-R-E-E-D. I would not be surprised if more of something gets made with the name STAR WARS attached to it - for the mere fact that major $ DOLLARS $ are involved. That's OK, after all, these are commercial ventures, movies made to entertain people and make them pay for the entertainment. But I think most will agree that they could have made a lot more money than they did if they had made better prequels!  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 08-29-2004 09:04 PM                        quote: Michael Schaffer It has been some time since I last watched The Fifth Element, but I don't remember any CG characters. Funny, neither does Brian. quote: Brian Michael Weidemann Granted, there weren't human CG characters.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 08-29-2004 09:33 PM                        Maybe he means non human CG characters like aliens? But all the aliens were non-CG too, if I remember correctly. If there are no CG characters, I don't understand why he would mention that movie, since it doesn't have more CG elements than many other SF/fantasy movies.  |  IP: Logged Brian Michael Weidemann Expert cat molester Posts: 944 From: Costa Mesa, CA United States Registered: Feb 2004 posted 08-29-2004 09:55 PM                        Thanks for having my back, Daryl. I brought it up because there are plenty of CG vehicles, landscapes, backgrounds, etc. that don't STAND OUT as CG, because the look of the live action stuff just "fits". Many CGI-heavy sci-fi films don't do that convincingly well. Sure, Fifth Element didn't use "more" CG ... but, for instance, the Star Wars prequels just have something about them that tends to remove the actors from their backgrounds (an overabundance of blue-screen, an underwhelming sense of "directing", whatever). It's subtle, but it's there when I watch. They look more like composite shots. Fifth Element blended better, which is rare as I see it. My ultimate point was that "convincing" CGI is "possible" when blended with live action, but even easier when the whole ball of wax is CG. The effect being MORE noticeable with character animation coming in to play.  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-29-2004 10:13 PM                     http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars2.htm Production Budget: $115 million Estimated Marketing: $25 million US Gross: $310 million Overseas Gross: $338 million Worldwide total: $649 million  |  IP: Logged Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 08-29-2004 10:59 PM                     Damn, only $500 million dollars profit? Unreal.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 08-31-2004 11:50 AM                    Vector Prime would make a great Star Wars movie I think. But 1) a lot has happened between Return of the Jedi and Vector Prime and 2) Vector Prime kicks off a story arc of about 20 or so books, so that might be a problem.  |  IP: Logged

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