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Brad Miller
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Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 08-05-2011 01:47 PM
MORE than flash??? I think not. I shouldn't have to hover over something, wait for it to light up, glow and something else move out of the way, click on it, wait for the glow to go away, start twirling, fly off the screen, some dissolve effect happen, then come to a blank page where a line slides into view, twists, opens horizontally, then opens vertically, then finishes fading in.
When I click on something, just take me there immediately! All of that useless time-wasting crap above only impresses iPeople.
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 08-06-2011 10:01 AM
Rule #4 regarding PDFs, Flash, Facebook, Twitter, etc.
I understand this pisses off some people, but these types of things are present in many websites largely because HTML sucks chunky, peanut loaded shit smeared ass at rendering decent graphic design.
Most pure HTML pages look terrible. You're limited on type choices. You can't truly control how everything is going to fall on the page. You end up having to dumb down the look of things to prevent the layout from breaking in one web browser to the next.
I can design a kick-ass looking restaurant menu in Adobe Illustrator or Adobe InDesign and the PDF format will retain everything about that design. The vector-based logos will be there. The fonts I want to use are embedded in the PDF. I can do all sorts of other tricks with clipping masks, transparancy, etc. and the PDF will keep it. Oh, and I can place anything on the page exactly where I want it without spending a ton of time dinking with code.
Designing in HTML is about as pleasant as scraping my balls on a cheese grater. We're dealing with a mark-up language that feels like using a MS-DOS word processor from 1983. It sucks.
"HTML 5" is supposed to come in and save the day, but browser support for it still sucks. And most Internet users are using old versions of Internet Explorer, which doesn't support things like SVG, PNG and CSS3 at all.
I laughed at parts of a Dreamweaver CS5.5 tutorial video on CSS3. Just to make a transparent text box with rounded corners the guy is having to insert a bunch of lines of code to tell Google Chrome, Firefox and Internet Explorer how or how not to render that object. And this is on top of playing around with the CSS panel to apply the right rules, etc. He talks about a round button CSS3 image with rotated text on it. In the past we would use an image, but now we can code it with CSS3 so the text is searchable. Um, I can design a button like that very fast in InDesign or Illustrator, use the fonts I want (instead of Goddamned Arial) add other effects CSS3 can't do -and that text will also be searchable!
A lot of businesses are using Facebook and Twitter because it is a hell of a lot easier posting some sort of news update or special there than going in and editing a damned HTML page on a web site.
I'm not real big on farting around in Flash (I prefer creating motion graphics in After Effects). But I don't see it going away anytime soon. SVG would be a great alternative to Flash if it was better supported.
quote: Mark Lensenmayer Hand drawn fonts. I think Bobby H. will like this one.
That is pretty cool, although I would use a different technique than Theo Olesen's method of getting the type into the computer. He prefers using Photoshop. I'll use Photoshop to scan hand-drawn lettering. But then I'll place the scanned image into CorelDRAW or Adobe Illustrator manually trace clean, scalable vector-based artwork over the top of it. I can resize the vectors to any size I want without any loss of quality. They can be die cut out of vinyl or routed out of other materials. I can even paste them into Photoshop and apply other raster-based fills.
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 08-06-2011 07:42 PM
HTML is indeed that bad when it comes to creating sophisticated page layouts. It's not all just making frilly images either. The options for setting type are very limited with HTML. In using live text you're limited to the very limited number of web standard typefaces. That's not acceptable for a lot of businesses. Many of them spend a ton on commercial typefaces regular users are never going to have installed. None of the advanced features of OpenType are available in a HTML layout. For all the things that can be done using Cascading Style Sheets, the same design can be done a hell of a lot faster and with much more control using InDesign or Illustrator and outputting a PDF.
I really don't understand the whole problem with PDFs. The web browsers on my computer (Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer) have no problem displaying a PDF within a browser window. HTML links can be included within text or objects in a PDF.
Honestly, I see little if any need for a "back" button to be incorporated in a web page layout much less placed a in PDF. Every web browser has a back button already.
Regarding Flash, HTML 5 only kicks Flash's ass in theorgy. Until the W3C gets its collective head out of its own ass and cracks the whip on Google, Apple, Microsoft and various others HTML 5 is going to go nowhere.
The use of Flash Video all over the web will continue as long as the W3C and others continue to not agree on a set video standard for HTML 5 content. Flash will also continue to be used for displaying vector-based graphics on pages as long as browser support for SVG continues to suck. Love them or hate them, applications coded in Flash (such as those time vampire Zynga games on Facebook) will keep being programmed in Flash as long as the HTML 5 feature set remains un-ratified.
Adobe has a new public beta available of their "Edge" application that does some of what Flash does but outputs it in HTML 5 style things like SVG and CSS3. I'm not going to have any use for it until HTML 5 is something besides a stupidly screwed up mess.
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