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Allison Parsons
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From: East Peoria, IL
Registered: Oct 2004

posted 09-02-2005 01:31 PM

I heard that if you put sugar in your gas tank and a banana in your tail pipe, you'll get GREAT gas mileage as well [Big Grin]

I know I'm a smart ass.

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Monte L Fullmer
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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
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posted 09-02-2005 01:44 PM

True. Cost more to make ethanol that what the effectiveness of the substance can put out being that ethanol has a much lower BTU rating than gasoline.

Back to the acetone thing: I can see if one wants to test this out with older/larger cars, especially with ones that are in the 15 to 22mpg range - like the fellow with the Jeep Cherokee which is not the greatest vehicle on gas economy.

But us with vehicles that can do over 30mpg anywhere, it makes one wonder if this is really necessary to try to eck out more mpg where we are still getting the great gas mileage in the first place - even in the report on the site of the Toyota hybrid vehicle got even more supurb mileage with the additive.

-Monte

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Wolff King Morrow
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posted 09-02-2005 02:59 PM

Allison, mythbusters showed that the bananas will immediately get blown out the tail pipe from the intense pressure. No matter how many they crammed in there (including a potato) it always instantly got blown clean out of the pipe when they gunned the engine.

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David Stambaugh
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From: Eugene, Oregon
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posted 09-02-2005 03:27 PM

Ethanol is a sham. Fuggedaboudit. [thumbsdown]

Acetone in my gas will increase my mileage, eh? I'll try some in my Pathfinder and see what happens. It's out of warranty now anyway. I do have to use premium gas though, so do I need to look for a premium grade of acetone?

[uhoh]

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Paul Mayer
Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under!

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posted 09-02-2005 03:28 PM

The guys I used to fly with told me stories of adding moth balls to kerosene to increase the octane rating up to where cars in those days would run, back in the days of the Great Depression.

At least E85 is cheaper at the pump than gas for now. Too bad there's only one station here pumping the stuff.

The French take care of their nuclear waste the old-fashioned way. They dump it in the ocean in Micronesia, the same place where they do their above-ground nuclear weapons testing.

The US will be doing something similar soon. Right here in good ol' Southern Nevada just up the road 90 miles from Sin City. The DOE guarantees that the site will not radiate us 'Vegans in any harmful way for 10,000 years, and that it will radiate us in only a slightly harmful way for 1,000,000 years after that. Guaranteed by the full force of the federal guvmint. All built by the lowest contract bidder of course. Why am I not impressed?

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Bob Maar
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posted 09-02-2005 03:55 PM

Has anyone tried a little gin with a splash of dry vermouth?

You never know......

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Randy Stankey
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
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posted 09-02-2005 07:54 PM

It still amazes me the lengths people will go through to improve the fuel mileage of gas guzzlers when they COULD have simply bought a car with higher mileage in the first place.

I drive a Mazda 626.

(If you don't want to buy a car with a Japanese name plate you can get a Ford Probe. It's the same damn car but it says "Ford" on the front grille instead of "Mazda". They're practically all made in the same factories, nowadays.)

Anyway, my car is supposed to get 32 MPG on the highway but I get 35 MPG in town. I keep it tuned up and I keep the oil clean and the tires full of air. I don't fill the trunk up with heavy junk and I shift gears conservatively. (It's a 5-speed... Specifically because manual transmissions get better mileage if you drive them correctly.) Furthermore, the car breezes through emissions testing. (The Mazda 626 is an official ULEV.)

I can understand people who use large vehicles for work or for other reasons. My neighbor is a contractor. He needs a truck and a trailer to haul tools, equipment and supplies. I can understand people who use their vehicles on routes or field service. But, what I FAIL to understand is people who think they can drive huge 4-wheelers around town as daily transportation. And, DON'T give me that "safety" arguement! You KNOW that's a batch of crap! The closest thing they will ever get to off-roading is when they pull it up onto the lawn to wash it! It REALLY cheezes me off to hear that people are now whining because the price of gas is too high! TOO FUCKING BAD! You made a STUPID decision! LIVE WITH IT or GET ANOTHER CAR!

If you have a good reason to drive a larger vehicle... Even if it's a flimsy reason... For God's sake! Keep the engine in good running order!

Don't sit around thinking up ways to weasel out of your situation by putting shit into your gasoline! (Unless a gas additive is indicated in your tune-up regimine.)

I said it before: If we could raise the nationwide fuel efficiency of all the cars in the U.S. (Or world, for that matter.) by ONE MEASLY PERCENTAGE POINT we could reduce our dependancy on crude oil by as much as 20%!!! (And, thereby, reduce the pinch on our wallets by 20% or MORE when the price of gasoline drops!)

I'm not talking about raising the mileage. I'm talking about raising the EFFICIENCY. i.e.: The percentage of fuel burned which actually goes into pushing the car. On most modern cars that's as simple as keeping the car tuned up and in good running order! It's something that's so bloody simple to do, even if you feel you must drive a Hummer to the grocery store every day. Yo can STILL keep the damn thing running as efficiently as you can.

How about, instead of pouring crazy shit into your gas tank, you spend $50 at the auto parts store?! (Or even Wal-Mart, if you shop there?!) If you're nice to them, the guys at Auto Zone will even install that air filter for you at no extra charge!

$50 spent today keeping your car in tune will save you MORE THAN $100 in gas!

It's not rocket science!

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Dan Bouvier
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posted 09-02-2005 09:13 PM

I'm just trading my truck in for a diesel Jetta. Diesel is where it's at.

quote: Lyle Romer
Until somebody figures out how to convert solar energy into electricity much more efficiently or comes up with a way to use solar energy to get hydrogen out of water extrememly efficiently, the only "clean" fuel that makes any sense is Nuclear power.

This article discusses other costs associated with nuclear power:

"It is said that nuclear power is emission-free. The truth is very different.

In the US, where much of the world's uranium is enriched, including Australia's, the enrichment facility at Paducah, Kentucky, requires the electrical output of two 1000-megawatt coal-fired plants, which emit large quantities of carbon dioxide, the gas responsible for 50per cent of global warming.

...In fact, the nuclear fuel cycle utilises large quantities of fossil fuel at all of its stages - the mining and milling of uranium, the construction of the nuclear reactor and cooling towers, robotic decommissioning of the intensely radioactive reactor at the end of its 20 to 40-year operating lifetime, and transportation and long-term storage of massive quantities of radioactive waste."

And so on, and whatnot. It's a good read.

quote: Lyle Romer
Wind power chops up birds

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 09-02-2005 09:22 PM

quote: Bob Maar
Has anyone tried a little gin with a splash of dry vermouth?

A friend of mine stretched his tank of diesel in his 64 Mercedees once with a bottle of gin so he didn't run out of fuel, worked fine but diesels are not as fussy as gas counterparts......

quote: Dan Bouvier
I'm just trading my truck in for a diesel Jetta. Diesel is where it's at.

Ok if you don't mind paying 50 to 75 cents more per gallon, at least in the U.S...... I doubt that you'd get much better if any better milage than a gas fueled Honda that runs on alot less expensive fuel. Then you also have the much higher maintainance costs for diesel engines to cope with as well. Cheaper.... not really at least in the U.S. it isn't.

quote:
But CFC is also a global warmer

Its an interesting article but some of it is baloney and the above line is one of them. Go back to the 1880's and up into the 1930's.... you'd find that the emmission of greenhouse gasses to be anywhere from ten to 100 times WORSE than it is today. There is no definative proof that CFC's are a major cause of the global warming that DOESN'T even exist.

The best solution for spent neuclear fuel is to store it where it is and leave the costs up to each individual power entity that is running a given reactor. It takes ALOT more than just the plutonium from a power plant to make a nuclear bomb although a dirty bomb is certainly possible if those making the bomb survive the radiation exposure from working with the material and handling it. Plutonium from a power plant reactor is ALOT diffferent than the Plutonium that is used to make a fission bomb with the spent reactor fuel typically being much much much more hot and hence alot more difficult to even onsider handling, or attempting to steal for that matter. In order to steal with exposure they'd have to move it in its cask which amounts to moving some very extreme tonnage.

When they transmutate uranium into plutonium to make fission bombs it is done in a completely different type of reactor and for a much shorter duration( weeks or months) than is the fuel in a power plant reactor(years)..... Some weapons grade plutonium can even be handled with the bare hands... as was all the plutonium that was used to make all the fission bombs of the US arsenal for the first 15 or 20 years. This plutonium only feels just slightly warm to the touch and it also has a short life span as compared to power plant fuel.

Mark

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Martin Brooks
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posted 09-02-2005 09:41 PM

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I can understand people who use large vehicles for work or for other reasons. My neighbor is a contractor. He needs a truck and a trailer to haul tools, equipment and supplies. I can understand people who use their vehicles on routes or field service. But, what I FAIL to understand is people who think they can drive huge 4-wheelers around town as daily transportation. And, DON'T give me that "safety" arguement! You KNOW that's a batch of crap! The closest thing they will ever get to off-roading is when they pull it up onto the lawn to wash it! It REALLY cheezes me off to hear that people are now whining because the price of gas is too high! TOO FUCKING BAD! You made a STUPID decision! LIVE WITH IT or GET ANOTHER CAR!

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!! I see tons of single guys running around in these giant gas-guzzling SUVs. This is just macho bullshit. And gas in STILL far cheaper here than it is in Europe. I drive a 4-cylinder manual Accord that averages a little over 30mpg. It's 165hp (I think) and I don't see why anyone needs more. I had an 89 Acura Integra that was about 130 HP, but it got 40mpg. But over the years, they kept on increasing performance, so the gas mileage went down on newer models.

I'm totally in favor of wind power. If a few seagulls get chopped up, I have no problem. I was in the Netherlands last year and they have these wind farms all over the place. Personally, I think they look fine and unless you get real close to them, they do not make any perceptible noise. I have no problem placing them 10 miles out in the ocean (where they make great artificial reefs) or in relatively unpopulated areas in the midwest or over trash dumps. If we don't get off fossil fuels, we're going to wake up one day and there won't be any more. And even if that wasn't the case, how dependent do we want to be on South America and the Mideast? We are so freaking short-sighted and dumb.

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Phil Hill
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posted 09-02-2005 10:25 PM

quote: Martin Brooks
I see tons of single guys running around in these giant gas-guzzling SUVs. This is just macho bullshit.

Gosh, how do you know they're single? You're right about it being bullshit... but it pertains to your post.

I would have NO problem with gasoline prices going up to $6.00+ a gallon for PRIVATE vehicles. That would stop some of the unnecessary driving and traffic congestion as well as stop a lot of crime.

I think that the truckers, mass transportation, and business people should be given a lower rate because they are necessary for our economy. Let the private parties pick up the difference via higher rates if they think they HAVE to drive.

All you whiners and so-called do-good'ers that are yapping about the SUVs, get real! If you think they are all in general gas-guzzlers, you are really a fucking jerk and unenlightened. You NEED to do your homework before you spout your rhetoric since your stupidity is showing,. You must be listening to the TV jerk's
news stories that are there for ratings. Stand on your own 2-feet and think for yourself! Most SUV's are very efficient. JFC!

Besides, many people need SUVs for their biz and others to carry kids around. Quit you whining and get enlightened!

How about cutting WAY back on airline travel...or luxury ship cruises? Those consume MORE fuel and waste more fuel than one can imagine. Or maybe keep that thermostat a little higher this winter?

Yous NEED to put your actions where your mouth is... Ummm with some sort of knowledge of what you're yapping about!

Oh yes, and BTW: Let's fuckup our coastlines with MORE crap by putting windmills there! How fucking stupit! The real answer to the energy problem is nuclear power plants and renewable energy sources...

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Gordon McLeod
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posted 09-02-2005 10:53 PM

David said "Ethanol is a sham. Fuggedaboudit"
Funny we have been mixing it with gasoline up here particularly in winter months with no issues just like Bio diesel is gaining ground which I believe is a cut with SoyaOil
In fact I know several people that are running there diesel engines on old fat fryer oil [Smile]

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Dan Bouvier
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posted 09-03-2005 12:33 AM

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Ok if you don't mind paying 50 to 75 cents more per gallon, at least in the U.S.

It's about 10 cents a litre CHEAPER here, not to mention the better mileage. It's more in the US? That's messed up. I thought it was cheaper to refine, and thus cheaper to sell.

But yeah, when gas goes up high enough people will start walking or riding bicycles. Then the obesity epidemic will go away too, and air pollution will go down. It's win-win.

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Bill Enos
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posted 09-03-2005 01:02 AM

Somewhat less diesel/#2 fuel can be extracted from a barrel of oil than gasoline, if the number of diesel autos increases significantly diesel will be more expensive.

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Dan Bouvier
Film Handler

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From: Sylvan Lake, Alberta, Canada
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posted 09-03-2005 03:57 AM

Wikipedia Diesel

"Diesel is generally simpler to refine than gasoline and often costs less (though price fluctuations often mean that the inverse is true).

Diesel contains approximately 18% more energy per unit of volume than gasoline, which along with the greater efficiency of diesel engines contributes to fuel economy (distance traveled per volume of fuel consumed)."

That's all I'm saying. Besides, I'm drunk.

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