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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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posted 01-10-2006 01:19 AM

quote: Bobby Henderson
After Effects 7 is a pretty significant upgrade. The interface has been changed -to where it looks more like a Macromedia StudioMX application actually. And it has a lot of integration with Flash 8 Professional

Wow! Sounds like After Effects 7 sucks a lot of ass!

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Monte L Fullmer
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posted 01-10-2006 01:33 AM

quote: Bobby Henderson
Midway Arcade Treasures volume 1 has Defender, Defender II (we knew it as "Stargate" in the 1980s), Joust, Robotron:2084, Sinistar and even Smash TV. Pretty much covers the best of Williams Electronics coin-op games of the 1980s.

MAME32 has all of these old coin-op classics covered. -Monte

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 01-10-2006 03:03 PM

Yes, MAME has been able to emulate a lot of those classic coin-ops for quite some time and it is easy to get hold of the emulator software itself.

However, it can be a PITA to find the actual coin-op video game ROMs. You don't find very many of those posted on any websites.

In the end, with all the time you spend finding ROMs, then dealing with incompatibilties with a given computer setup, its quite a bit more easy to just buy a console port that will at least work right out of the box.

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Wow! Sounds like After Effects 7 sucks a lot of ass!

I suppose it might -if you're already using something a lot more expensive, such as Fusion. Even Apple Shake costs quite a bit ($3000 for the Mac version and $5000 for the Linux version). Autodesk is growing a larger fan base for Combustion.

However, the demo of AE7 at the last Macromedia convention looked pretty impressive. I should say my possible purchase will be a full, not upgrade purchase. If the older versions of AE work great, then don't upgrade. I've skipped numerous Illustrator upgrades and even a Photoshop upgrade or two for various reasons.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-10-2006 04:37 PM

Apple Shake sucks ass. It is completely unmanagable. There is no reason for After Effects to work more like Flash or a Macromedia product. I have always hated Macromedia UI's. Speaking of which I just sold 2 old Macromedia programs, an old Adobe InDesign and and old Toast for Mac (we're talking OS 9 stuff here) on eBay for about $200.

quote: Bobby Henderson
MAME has been able to emulate a lot of those classic coin-ops for quite some time

With every new release of MAME, a new set of games becomes broken and no longer run. Yep, each new MAME breaks more games then it enables. You have to keep 40 or 50 different versions of MAME just to run all of the games!

quote: Bobby Henderson
However, it can be a PITA to find the actual coin-op video game ROMs.

Oh no. It is quite easy to find all of them. I don't think I'll be posting the URL here, though.

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Phil Hill
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posted 01-10-2006 05:35 PM

quote: Bobby
However, it can be a PITA to find the actual coin-op video game ROMs. You don't find very many of those posted on any websites.

quote: Joe
Oh no. It is quite easy to find all of them.

I agree with Joe and with Bobby to a certain extent. I got the MAME prg about 2 years ago and the ROMS (which were readily availble at that time) and have had NO problem playing the older coin-op arcade games on my PC.

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Monte L Fullmer
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posted 01-11-2006 01:51 AM

True, when I got my MAME, is was about 4 yrs ago with the older version of MAME32 when I was introduced to this EM. Luckilly, I downloaded almost all of the ROMS at that time.

Got this one verions of MAME on my laptop and still having the great fun that I had back in the early 80's.

..just saving my quarters now....

-Monte

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Brad Bridges
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posted 01-17-2006 10:48 PM

If you ever do find yourself using a computer to play older games try getting a controller or two for your computer.

http://www.retrousb.com/

I have only got the NES controllers, but they work very well.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-17-2006 11:26 PM

That's pretty cool. Looks like you can permanently mod your controllers if you wanted to as well. That's NOT cool! I'll stick with the adaptor dongles.

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Wolff King Morrow
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posted 01-18-2006 06:19 AM

Same. I use a PS2 controller on my dongle. I know you hate Sony, but their PS2 controllers are some of the best designed controllers I've ever used. The only other controller I really liked was the the SNES asciipad.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-18-2006 01:04 PM

Here are the controllers ranked from GODLY to TURD-SUCKING:

-Sega Saturn (Japanese pad - later became the standard US pad)
-Sega Genesis 6-button (official version, not Majesco)
-Super Nintendo (US version with concave buttons) (prefer two rows of 3 buttons over the diamond configuration, though. Not sure why the diamond configuration is so popular)
-Xbox360
-Nintendo Gamecube (Wavebird included)
-Sega Saturn Nights Analog pad
-Xbox Controller S
-TurboGrafx-16 (includes PC Engine 3 and 6 button controllers)
-Nintendo Entertainment System
-Nintendo 64 pad
-Sega Master System
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-Sega Dreamcast controller
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-Neo Geo CD control pad
-Sony Playstation 1/2 Dual Shock Controller (worst d-pad in the world, oversensitive analog sticks, 4 shoulder buttons (why?), shapes as button names)
-Neo Geo joystick (built by Fisher Price)
-Atari 2600 joystick

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Frank Dubrois
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posted 01-18-2006 05:27 PM

I'd go for a standard x-box. I had one and modded it. All you need is a good mod chip, I used the xecuter3, then pop in a large hard drive, and presto, you can do just about anything. I found software that upconverted DVDs (not a true upconversion, but they did look better), i found emulators for NES, SNES, SEGA, Commodore 64, Amiga, Nintendo 64, MAME arcade emulator and even a file manager and menu system. You were also able to rip you xbox games to your hard drive in order to save wear on the disc and keep them shiney and new. With the price of a standard xbox and a $50 mod chip and possibly $40-$50 for a hard drive, you have a solid gaming station that plays a huge variey of games, DVD's and music. If you have a HDTV, it also will make some of those old NES and SNES games look much sharper and cleaner then they ever used to look with the right emulator. [thumbsup]

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-18-2006 05:44 PM

The emulators for the Xbox suck ass. The games don't even run in 240p, instead they are all upscaled to either 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i. They look like ass. And don't get me started on the awful GUI of those emulators.

I modded my Xbox and I never installed a chip or anything like it. I didn't even open it up.

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Frank Dubrois
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posted 01-18-2006 07:24 PM

All of the emulators work VERY well for the xbox. Some can have menu issues, not the easiest to navigate, but come on, what do you want for a free emulator letting you play thousands of games? If your able to improve on it, I'm sure the community would be most appreciative of that.

As for modding your xbox without even taking it apart, well, what did you do exactly? Spray painting it a different color isnt modding..

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-18-2006 07:37 PM

It's called a soft-mod. It's a memory card/game save exploit. It can be done to any Xbox.

The emulators are far from perfect. The sound is often messed up, or the graphics are messed up. If I want to play an older game, chances are that I own it or will own it soon. No need to fake it. The only emulator that I approve of is MAME.

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Frank Dubrois
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posted 01-18-2006 11:36 PM

The emulators with issues were the Amiga and N64 emulator (for control issues).

Perhaps you were having problems with your emulators because of your "soft mod". I never had a problem with sount, graphics or control.

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