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Mike Heenan
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 - posted 05-09-2006 06:56 PM      Profile for Mike Heenan   Email Mike Heenan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sometimes I'm amazed at prices people will pay for stuff, like a 1950 Futurliner tour bus at last years Barrett Jackson auction here in Scottsdale, whihc sold for over $4 million. I'll shake my head but then remember, if I had that guys kind of money, I'd be buying cars too, as well as other stuff.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Mike Heenan
So Bobby, you dont have any of your money in investments? Stocks, bonds, etc?
Yes, I do. And those investments are in stocks, bonds, mutual funds, etc. -not high risk, high profile stuff like the game called fine art. Lots of bullshit is involved in that scene. That's one reason why I chose illustration for my major in art school, rather than fine art.

quote: Will Kutler
I have always found it interesting that the so called "art experts" can psycobabble about how great Picasso, Pollaack and those of similar ilk are, yet they diss on artists like rockwell or Kinkade. And yet Rockwell and Kinkade are two of the most p[opular artists in history.
Norman Rockwell is one of the greatest illustrators who ever lived. But he was not the first to make paintings that approached photo-realism or captured the "slice of life" kind of thing.

Lots of people who take pride in not being experts in art typically judge paintings by whether they look like a photograph or not. And the paintings are crap if they don't look like a photograph or at least appear to have taken a great degree of skill to create. Frankly, I think that's a very closed-minded point of view.

Photo-realism in painting was more important in the 18th and 19th centuries because there were no cameras.

Once cameras proliferated in the 1800s there was little point for many highly skilled artists to pursue photo realism. If they wanted something that looked like a photograph they would take a photograph.

Many of the greatest illustrators of the 20th century, such as Rockwell, did work you could not achieve with a camera. They would exaggerate proportions of figures, warp perspective, amplify or mute color or get a more edgy look by being deliberately messy with the drawing or paint strokes. Rockwell did very precise and humourous illustrations. But he also did darker works that drew inspiration from people like Picasso and Van Gogh. Google his illustration of "Southern Justice," a work that appeared in a June, 1965 issue of Look magazine. It's not photo-realistic at all. But it is a pretty emotional piece and one of his more important works.

Fundamentally, visual art is more about communicating a feeling or emotion (and finding new visual ways to do it) rather than simply copying real life.

Picasso was the first to do a lot of things in fine art. In fine art, you score a lot more points by being innovative. All of the "great artists" through time have been innovators more than anything else. Picasso certainly did not have the best painterly skill, but he pioneered techniques like cubism and almost single-handedly swept aside the era of impressionism that had held for decades. He's the first guy most people think of when the term "modern art" is mentioned.

To use another analogy, let's bring up Jimi Hendrix.

Many rock music fans feel Jimi Hendrix is the greatest guitar player who ever lived. If one were to listen to his playing from a strictly clinical standpoint, why would so many be impressed? He's not especially precise or very fast in his playing. Guys like Eric Clapton, Richie Blackmoor and Edward Van Halen (or even non-rock guys like Al DiMeola) could play circles around Hendrix.

Hendrix' legend endures because he innovated. He brought about a whole new way of playing the electric guitar no one ever heard before. And every rock guitarist who has played since owes some influence to the guy. Just like Citizen Kane changed the language of filmmaking, Hendrix changed the language of electric guitar.

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Matt Fields
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Speculators, in general, are good for the economy. They lower the risk of certain activites, like exploring for oil or planting crops.

If the producers of commodities did not know that they could sell their products for a certain price at a later date, then the producers will produce less of that risky commodity. The risk gets transfered to the speculator, who is guessing what the future price will be, and who is usually better able to handle the loss if he or she is wrong.

Society at large benefits because we get more wheat, or oil, or whatever.

The producers benefit because they know they are going to get paid a certain price for their product.

The speculators benefit on any profits they may make. Let it be said that speculators often lose, because no one can see 100% into the future.

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Bobby Henderson
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There's a lot of people who bought high in many housing markets and they're going to get hosed. Warren Buffet had a nice comment about that and speculation in general: fools often finish what wise men started.

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Will Kutler
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Hi Mike

I remember that Futureliner also!

The design and production of automobiles takes many different art-forms and crafts-skills....and of course ENGINEERING!

But there are differences between a mass-produced car...and a one-off hand-built custom such as a Duesenberg, Packard, Rolls....etc.

Ray Dietrich of coach-designing fame could run circles around Picasso as far as artwork is concerned!

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Bobby Henderson
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Ray Dietrich versus Picasso sounds like an apples to oranges comparison.

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Ian Price
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Was down in San Francisco yesterday and ran in to an old friend. Perhaps you've seen her hanging around the forum.

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This is Dora Maar!

I ran in to her while wandering around the De Young Museum in Golden Gate Park. You never know who you might meet in an Art Museum. Bob, you have a hot wife! [Big Grin]

I don't think she would mind me posting this photo, she took it herself. However my cell phone photo of it on the wall is something else. You can see me and my cell phone reflected in the glass. Hey, it's sort of cubist.

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