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Matt Fields
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Don't forget lottery tickets!

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Joe Redifer
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Just because people can afford to buy legitimate DVDs and the such doesn't mean that they WILL if piracy was stamped out 100%. Anyone who thinks that for every pirated (re: free) movie that one legitimate sale is lost is simply a goddamn motherfucking retard. Simple as that! People will be more tempted to watch stuff when they don't have to pay vs. when they do.

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Leo Enticknap
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Agreed completely. In 99.99% of the cases in which the MPAA's labradors might potentially intervene, the choice being made by a potential viewer is not between watching a legitimate copy and a gippo one, but between watching a gippo copy and not watching the film at all.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Joe Redifer
People will be more tempted to watch stuff when they don't have to pay vs. when they do.
Yeah but if they aren't willing to pay the asking price, WHAT THE HELL GIVES THEM THE RIGHT TO WATCH ANYTHING???

Hence the battle. They know in their hearts they can't win, but the HAVE to fight it on principle.

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Joe Redifer
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I never said they had a right or no right to watch it. The studios are saying that for everyone who watches a pirated copy, a legitimate sale is lost. And I am saying anyone who actually believes that is a fucking asshole retard who deserves to be set on fire. I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself on this issue. But it makes me want to pirate movies on principle.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Joe Redifer
The studios are saying that for everyone who watches a pirated copy, a legitimate sale is lost. And I am saying anyone who actually believes that is a fucking asshole retard who deserves to be set on fire.
Well, I agree with that. But these dickheads who say "If I didn't get to watch it for free, I wouldn't have bought it anyway, so it isn't really stealing" just irritate me with their rationalizing stupidity.

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Josh Jones
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*yawn*

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Leo Enticknap
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Just to be clear, I'm not endorsing that moral attitude, just agreeing with Joe that it exists among the vast majority of those who make, buy and watch pirate DVDs; and that therefore increased action against low level, domestic piracy is unlikely to significantly boost sales of legitimate media, as the MPAA seem to think.

If they want to do that, then IMHO the solution is to (i) cut off large-scale organised piracy at source - for example, tell the Chinese that unless they close down the factories which are pumping out these things by the million, a 100% import duty will be imposed on all their manufactured goods - and (ii) make the legitimate product more attractive. For example, this weekend I bought the BFI DVD of Seven Samurai reduced to £6.99 in the HMV sale, but would never have done so at the original price of £20. Make the legit versions a more attractive option than the dodgy ones and consumers will buy them.

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Edwin Sheldon
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quote: Chris Hipp
So, what if I make a copy of a movie that I purchased and take it with me instead of risking my original copy being damaged or lost?
Chris makes a very good point. The MPAA and the RIAA both have a long history of ignoring fair use copyright law. They usually assume anyone with a burned copy of a DVD or CD, or anyone with a Divx or MP3 file is pirating the content rather than making a legal backup. The first thing I do with any electronic intellectual property I purchase is make a backup. I wouldn't dream of going on a flight and bringing my original DVDs with me for fear that the incompetent clowns running the airlines would lose my luggage, and with it hundreds of dollars worth of DVDs.

Of course, I lost all respect I had for the MPAA long ago. [fu]

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Dave Williams
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I want to go on record that I do not endorse piracy. I have never thought it was right to put on eye patches and ride around in boats while stabbing people with swords and letting my teeth rot.

I do however endorse allowing birds on shoulders, but you have to clean up the bird shit if it falls on your friends couch while you visit during the piracy off season.

In my original post I clearly state that it is people that either will not or cannot afford the originals. Focusing on the cannot part and trying to implicate those that cannot and then pirate are some kind of lazy slobs making excuses is just silly.

How many of us have paid our dues to watch or listen and then been so wholy dissatisfied but we do not get a refund for it. The artist is under no pressure to perform to expectation anymore. I pay for my toys, and the software to run them. Those that pirate are never going to anyway. No money is really lost.

These giants are fighting piracy to make a good show, they are in fact quite greedy people, and could care less if those of us who do pay are hardly satisfied with the artistic result. They should put their efforts into good product, and quit making so many bones about stopping people from getting a free peek.

Artists and distributors should receive just and fair compensation for their work, even if it is a billion dollars. That is not the issue. What is the real issue for most is that we have to pay first, then if it sucks... too bad so sad for us.

I am off topic here.... back to the topic...

No, I do not endorse piracy, and I do not endorse many of the methods that the big wigs use to stop it. They need to concentrate on the big fish, not us little fishes who can easily tell them to take a hike and start reading books instead.

Ciao

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Charles Greenlee
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I like Joe's opinions, and his uninhibited expressions make the posts interesting. Though I take them sriously, it dies good to get a good chuckle out of me.
quote: Joe Redifer
Anyone who thinks that for every pirated (re: free) movie that one legitimate sale is lost is simply a goddamn motherfucking retard.
quote: Joe Redifer
And I am saying anyone who actually believes that is a fucking asshole retard who deserves to be set on fire.
Oh, I've thought about setting plenty of people on fire, but there's just to much hassle, and pingerpointing, and paperwork afterwards. That and I don't think I'd look good in an orange jumsuit.

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Chad Smith
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soon enough flash memory will be so cheap and fast that they'll just hand it out on that instead

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