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Stephen Furley
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They've passed the $93k, but are still a long way from $109k. I sent them something last night; paid for it with credit card.

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Steve Guttag
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They are about $13K away from their goal as of about 3:00am today...so they have about another 12 hours to get the $13K...I think they will certainly do that based on how the money has been coming in.

The question remains...does this just put off the same thing in a years time or less?

I really hope the Senator survives and I too contributed to the "cause" but I really think they need to build the two additional screens as planned quite some time ago (they would be new structures and not cut into the Senator itself. They already own the land.

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Stephen Furley
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quote: Steve Guttag
They are about $13K away from their goal as of about 3:00am today...so they have about another 12 hours to get the $13K...I think they will certainly do that based on how the money has been coming in.
They are up to just slightly under $102k now, 21:20 GMT, 16:20 EST; one way or the other, it's going to be very close.

quote: Steve Guttag
The question remains...does this just put off the same thing in a years time or less?
If they can get past the immediate deadline, then I think they could make a success of it; whether they do or not is another matter. I hope the do. He has done some unwise things in he past, allowing the overdue amount on his loan to build up to over $100k, for example. He may need some professional business management/financial advise. He's going to have to find ways to increase revenue, or reduce costs, or both. There are all sorts of things he could look at; maybe he's got some unused space that he could let out to somebody for offices, for example. He really needs about $150k now, to pay off the $109k which is now due, and to keep the bank off his back for another couple of months while he tries to sort things out.

quote: Steve Guttag
I really hope the Senator survives and I too contributed to the "cause" but I really think they need to build the two additional screens as planned quite some time ago (they would be new structures and not cut into the Senator itself. They already own the land.
It's all very well to say that they need the extra screens, but how is he going to pay for them? He's already struggling to pay off his existing debt, after five years most of the $1.2m is probably still outstanding, early on most of the repayments on a loan tend to be taken up by the interest, and the outstanding capital sum only reduces slowly. On top of this, according to the original newspaper article, he has another loan which he has not repaid. He has a bad record against him. Under these circumstances it would be difficult to borrow the capital necessary for expansion. Even if he could manage to do so, how is he going to pay the cost of the extra borrowing, when he is having difficulty paying off the existing loans? He would be paying interest on the new loan for at least several months before receiving any income from the new screens. Those extra screens may be useful, but I just don't see how he could build them at the moment. I think he's going to have to pay off a significant part of his existing debt from the operation of the theatre as it stands before he can take on any more borrowing.

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Steve Guttag
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Well he has topped 104K so there is only $5K left. He'll make it.

As to the other unrepaid debt, I know there was a correction to one of the stories about an unrepaid debt in that what he was given was a GRANT not a loan and hence no repayment.

He needs to get those extra screens going by any means necessary, in my mind.

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Phil Hill
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Steve Guttag
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Sorry to disappoint you Phil but he made his number and will stave off forclosure, this time.

As to savy Biz people...they wouldn't touch a theatre like that because they could make much more money with their time somewhere else.

It does take a bit of passion to really breathe life into a theatre like the Senator but it also takes business sense to make it work to.

Steve

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Phil Hill
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Frank Dubrois
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Children under 5 years of age are not admitted to The Senator Theatre. Tickets are available at the boxoffice beginning at 12:00pm daily.
Whats that all about? Thats not good business..I mean cmon, its a MOVIE theater, not a strip club.

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Brad Miller
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Oh REALLY? I wholeheartedly applaud the Senator!!! [thumbsup] [thumbsup] [thumbsup]

Nothing, absolutely NOTHING...not Michael Bay or even a really bad presentation ruins a movie as bad as screaming and crying babies. [Mad] It wouldn't be a big deal if parents would immediately leave the auditorium to calm them down, but in this day and age I see very little good and respectful parenting going on.

If I ran an airline, you can bet it would have the same policy...and I would most probably clean up on it too. Not even those Bose Noise-Cancelling headphones can combat that (trust me, I use them when I fly). I know there are parents here, but honestly who here wouldn't pay an extra $10, $20 or even $50 to be guaranteed a screaming baby-free flight?

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Monte L Fullmer
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Yea, who wants to pay $40 bucks for tix and snaks just to hear babies holler and with kids running up and down the aisles, esp if the Senator is trying to get back into the middle to upper class echelon type of respectable operation?

(Now, just gotta do something with celphone users while watching movies...where at times, they're worse than five yr old kids for at least when the kid reaches five, the majority of them are off the binkie and/or security blankets,...)

My kudos to the Senator as well [thumbsup]
-Monte

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Stephen Furley
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They reached the $109k by 11pm yesterday, not sure which time zone that is. They're still not out of their problems, but at least they stand a chance. There will be another payment to the bank due soon, they must not forget that.

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Steve Guttag
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The Senator is in Eastern time. They have a no under 5 policy and all tickets are the same price policy too...they don't discriminate based on age (old or young).

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Frank Dubrois
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quote: Steve Guttag
...they don't discriminate based on age (old or young).
Unless your under 5.

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Steve Guttag
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Clearly the discrimination was referring to different pricing on tickets.

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Frank Dubrois
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Uhhh, yes I know....but I was making a joke.

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