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German Marin
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How much money have you (smokers) spend in cigaretts in all this years? What have you obteined from this investment? Are you happy with the results?
I've smoked for almost one year when I was an university student and it was a way to know that I don't like to smoke and I don't like the smoke close to me.
Everyone of us is free to do what we want just if we don't bother anyone else.

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Christopher Meredith
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This might be one of the only reasons I like living in the Deep South... the states around here generally despise government intrusion into our lives just about as much as I do.

I hope my state never passes a smoke-free law.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: German Marin
Everyone of us is free to do what we want just if we don't bother anyone else.
Well, not really. You can't (in this country, at least) drive 150 miles per hour on the highway. You can't posess dangerous drugs, even if you only plan to use them yourself. You can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre, or move onto a piece of abandoned property and build a house, or mention a bomb when you get on an airplane...the list goes on.

But that's the problem with smokers. Smokers think their smoking doesn't (or shouldn't) bother anyone else. They think "grow up, it's not that bad." While some non smokers take it to the extreme - if they so much as breathe a whiff of smoke coming out of a window they go ballistic.

Common sense should be able to solve this problem, unfortunately there's a short supply of that these days.

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Steve Guttag
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Mike you speak truths even though they are in many ways against the purpose and the foundation of the US.

In your state, you used to be able to drive 150MPH on a highway but a few bad apples....The whole highway/driving thing is another subject though I too use it as examples...in the case of speed, it really comes down to the road, the vehicles of the day and what constitutes reckless endangerment as to what one can/can't do and when a law is justified.

The drug issue...the government is just plain wrong...it somehow invented that power on itself....Constitutionally, the government was given deliberately little power in one's home. The number one thing about the bill of rights really boils down to "Privacy" People have been yielding not only their privacy but other people's privacy in the name of most anything far too much.

The "you can't yell 'fire'...." example is one of the most misused examples on the restriction of free speach. It has nothing to do with yelling fire...it has to do with reckless endangerment. That is, if you open a door to a crowded theatre (boy wouldn't we all enjoy to see that constantly!) and yell fire...the ensuing stampeed of people trying to get out would likely injure and/or kill some. It isn't prior restraint as much as an issue of accountability. If there is indeed a fire, one is not prohibted from stating such...it is fact if there is a fire a blazing. In fact, most would find the theatre liable if the fire alarm did NOT go off (the modern electronic form of yelling FIRE in a crowded theatre). However, fire alarms have been designed even more sophisticated to stage exits with the alarms going off based on proximity to the affected room rather than trying to clear an entire building all at once.

But back to the UK health care issue. Can one go for a checkup when one pleases or is there a period of time one must wait between checkups? I mean it isn't unreasonable for people to take some responsibility for going to the doctor.

You mention breast cancer screenings but how about Colonoscopy?...something most men should have by the time they reach 40.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Steve Guttag
But back to the UK health care issue. Can one go for a checkup when one pleases or is there a period of time one must wait between checkups? I mean it isn't unreasonable for people to take some responsibility for going to the doctor.
Well I guess I've been a naughty boy, then. I registered with a local general practitioner (community doctor, who is the first person you go to if you have a non-emergency medical problem - based in an office facility in a residential area, not a hospital) when I moved to York in December 1999. This involved filling out a form and giving them my national insurance (social security) number.

I haven't heard a thing from them since. AFAIK I'm not supposed to proactively make appointments for a routine checkup or anything like that. As, thankfully, I haven't been ill enough to feel the need to see a doctor since 1994, I just haven't seen one. If I were to get a letter or an email saying 'It's been X years since your last checkup - please ring up and make an appointment for the next one', I would of course do so. But as far as I know, there's no formal requirement or expectation for me to take the initiative on that score.

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Christopher Meredith
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Please pardon my ignorance, but in the case of the NHS in the UK, is this something entirely subsidized by taxes or is it something that is paid into? Also, does it pay in similar fashion to US insurance companies, where there is a co-pay, deductible, and then 60/40 or 70/30 type scheme?

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Ray Faultless
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Yes the NHS is funded by taxes. It is one of the better thing of living in this country.No charge for doctors visits or hospital stays.There is charges for dental work and for presciptions unless the person is retired or not working then they are free.This is a big part of the high taxes here.Just look at the cost of gas. When I lived in the states my friend 62 had a heart attack and died two days later. He had no insurance and his family swore he recieved so little medical help at the hospital they just let him die.For people here in hospital not having to worry about getting a bill is a great thing.

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Kara J. McVay
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Ohio went smoke free in Nov. 2006, but had no rules in place to enforse the law, the rules went into play May or June. The only downfall I can see is now the bars on my street their patrons come out every 15-20 min. drunk or not to smoke. On a evening with no wind moving my whole street smells like an ashtray! Not to mention that the drunks just throw their butts on the ground and the next morning the street look like [bs]

So now we will have to wait for the litter laws to catch up with the bars and make them clean up their patrons' messes or pay.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Steve Guttag
In your state, you used to be able to drive 150MPH on a highway
Actually, the rule was "a reasonable and prudent speed." We'd probably still have that in place today if not for the random dickheads who would drive 120 or more, when everyone else was going around 80 or 85.

The annual number of highway deaths in Montana has actually increased every year since they reinstated the speed limit at 75 MPH.

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Joe Redifer
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Littering laws would affect smokers more than smoking bans. Name one smoker who doesn't litter. You can't, because they don't exist! The world is their ashtray, and they are free to throw their butts wherever they like. If they were no longer allowed to do so, they'd become confused and might actually short circuit! Well I suppose that assumes that logical circuitry existed in the first place.

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Stephen Furley
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I never go near a Doctor if I can possibly avoid it. I don't want to even think about bodies, and things that go on inside them. I have been to a post mortem, so I know what the various bits inside look like, but 'out of sight, out of mind' is the best policy as for as I'm concerned. In my view if whatever I've got is minor it will go away, and if it's serious I'll die, so either way I won't have to worry about it.

Another problem is that people expect Doctors to be miracle-workers, which they can't be. A couple of years ago I was in my hotel room in New Jersey, when I suddenly started getting terrible pains in my side; I've never felt anything like them before. I was due to fly home the following evenging, just over 24 hours later, so I was somewhat worried, and decided that unless it had completely goe away by the folling morning I would have to have it looked at, rather than risk being taken ill in mid-Atlantic.

The next morning it had gone, so I flew home; the following day it came back while on the bus going to work; I got off the bus and got some water to drink, but by the time I arrived it was much worse. Work called a taxi to take to Dortor. He examined me, and asked some questions, but wasn't sure what the cause was. He suggested several possibilities, including kidney stones, and several things with long latin names that I'd never heard of, but couldn't be sure. by that evening whatever it was had gone away, and has never come back, so I never did find out what it was.

The last time I went to a dentist was just before I was 21, almost 30 years ago. I had to have an extraction, and I don't like having needles stuck into be. Rather than the usual local in the gum they gave me a shot in the arm to put me out, and then gas to keep me that way. Several other people had similar treatment that day, and most sat in the waiting room for half an hour or so to recover before going home. When I came round I had never felt so ill in my life; I honestly thought I was going to die. I must have been sitting in the waiting room for something like three hours before I could even try to stand up, and walk home. I obviously had some reaction to whatever they had given me, and I swore that as long as I lived I would never go to a dentist again. I haven't, and I won't.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Christopher Meredith
Also, does it pay in similar fashion to US insurance companies, where there is a co-pay, deductible, and then 60/40 or 70/30 type scheme?
No - the NHS has its own workforce (someone once told me that it's the second largest employer, in terms of the most number of people working for a single organisation, in the world - the only bigger one is the Chinese army!), and for major treatment no money changes hands. You see the GP, and if necessary (s)he then refers you to a hospital for more major treatment. Since the 1980s there have been moves to make the various sub-organiszations within the NHS more financially autonomous: so, for example, GPs' surgeries and specialist units manage their own budgets and compete internally with other NHS organisations to carry out routine treatments. But that all goes on behind the scenes, and doesn't really affect what happens to you as a patient. You do pay a flat charge for prescription medicines, which I think is designed so that those who need the cheaper ones subsidise those who need the expensive ones.

The state healthcare system in France is a sort of hybrid of the NHS and the system you describe. I can't remember the exact details, but the gist of what happens is that GPs' surgeries are private businesses, and as long as their charges don't exceed a certain amount (in other words, they have to be approved and certified by the state), you have the right to go to any one you want and the taxpayer picks up the tab. But the larger hospitals which carry out more specialist treatments are directly state-owned.

One of the few things about the European Union that I'll say positive things about is that citizens of all its member states can get a 'European Health Insurance Card'. It's totally free (you mail a form or apply online, and as long as your National Insurance number checks out it arrives in the post a few days later), and entitles you to free use of whatever state healthcare system exists in any other EU member country when you're visiting. When all is done, your government settles the bill with that of your host country.

That having been said, it's still a good idea to have travel insurance when visiting the European mainland, because the EHIC does not cover the cost of repatriating you in the case of a serious problem (e.g. if you break several bones and need to be shipped back in an air ambulance). But it does mean that, while on a holiday or work trip to another European country, if you come down with something nasty (e.g. a viral infection) but not a hospital job, you can just go and see the local doctor without any fuss.

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Joe Redifer
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Stephen, it sounds like you had a bad burrito.

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Stephen Furley
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quote: Leo Enticknap
No - the NHS has its own workforce
The situation is further complicated by the fact that some Doctors do both NHS and private work.

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