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Author Topic: I survived my first earthquake! Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 04-20-2008 12:54 PM                       quote: Mark Gulbrandsen If you were thinking thats because that mountaintop used to be at the bottom of an ancient sea you are correct. Ummm, it wouldn't have anything to do with the Earth being covered with water? Regardless, earth masses can rise and fall, that's how mountains became - but that's a long way from continents "moving".  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-20-2008 01:54 PM                     quote: Tim Reed Ummm, it wouldn't have anything to do with the Earth being covered with water? Nope. You do understand how mountains are formed.... right? They're definately not formed by rising earth masses... Earth masses don't just rise all on their own. Plate Tectonics causes earth masses to rise... also Plate Tectonics are the cause of ALL earthquakes. Here... you will appreciate this ANIMATION of the results of plate tectonics... Also note that Africa USED to be at our east coast many millions of years ago... Its comming back again but in about another 200 million years.  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 04-20-2008 01:57 PM                     I'm not too familiar with how this stuff works, but isn't it a fairly well-established scientific theory that at one point the continents were unified, and slowly over time they moved apart? Why is it hard to believe that over hundreds of millions of years they will move back together?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-20-2008 02:00 PM                     Mike, You're correct! Computer modeling of the Earth's Plate Tectonics shows thats more or less whats going to happen although things will be arranged slightly differently that it was originally.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 04-20-2008 02:37 PM                  ...and all this time I bet ya'll thought "Ring of Fire" was referring to one's anal sphincter after eating Mexican food.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-20-2008 03:36 PM                     Phil... Thats a hoot man... how true of some things we eat!  |  IP: Logged Paul H. Rayton Expert Film Handler Posts: 210 From: Los Angeles, CA , USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 04-20-2008 04:44 PM                    I'll just chime in here, on a serious note (and as a survivor of several of these little "wake up calls from mother nature"), with a couple of comments about getting through such events safely. My first was a lollapalooza, in Feb. 1971, here in Los Angeles. And, like the recent one in Missouri, it was a "waker-upper", i.e. at a most inconvenient time in the wee hours. (Ours was at a more customer-friendly 6AM). Could look out the window, from a hillside home, and see wierd flashings off in the distance in the sky, from local power lines swinging together here and there, creating arcing flashes in the night (while we lost our power completely). Anyway, survival: physical: move away from any large glass buildings or windows (assuming you can stand up at all). Nasty things can happen near glass. And try to get into a doorway or (oddly enough) a bathroom area (but away from the mirror), where the additional structural support of the pipes and door bracing(s) will possibly help shield you if the building collapses. Under a table is also recommended, and again, try to shield your face. Emotional survival -- this will sound totally wierd, but I've put it into action a few times, and it works. It comes from "experts", though I can't remember now who was the original source. The trick: get "mad" at the earthquake. Talk to it. Tell it, "Damn it, I don't have time for this stuff now! I have a busy day coming up, and you have a LOT OF NERVE to be creating all this chaos now. You stop this RIGHT AWAY! I simply don't have time for this". Words to this effect. Carry on as long as the shaking goes on. And what's the purpose of this? By so doing, you displace the naturally-occurring "fear" with "anger". So you don't get quite so traumatized. Believe me, that 6AM wakeup call in 1971 was about as traumatizing an event as one can have (65 people were killed), and, like I say, I've utilized this little "get mad" ploy a few times recently, and it sure has helped me keep my heart rate in check. (One of the side factors that kills people, besides buildings falling down, is heart attacks.) My hints for the day. Now I'll go back to my nice safe projection room...  |  IP: Logged Joshua Waaland Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 800 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Dec 1999 posted 04-20-2008 05:20 PM                     A co-worker of mine asked me if I felt it here in Cleveland. He told me it woke him up at 4:30am too and his bed was shaking. I sleep so hard that I couldn't hear a freight train going through my room with it's whistle blowing.  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 04-20-2008 05:29 PM                     Paul, I remember than quake like it was yesterday....I was in a apartment on Melrose Avenue and I thought I was having a stroke...until I looked out of the window and saw electric power poles dancing. In the pre-cell phone era, the available pay phones where swamped with long lines.....that was my decision point, later that year, to return to Florida and and endure predictable hurricanes...  |  IP: Logged Rick Raskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1100 From: Manassas Virginia Registered: Jan 2003 posted 04-20-2008 05:41 PM                     quote: Mark Gulbrandsen we find marine life fossils 10 to 20 thousand feet up in some mountain That's right and I've seen them embedded in walls inside West Virginia caves. The ancient seabed can be uplifted either by plate tectonics or glaciation. Either way, what was once horizontal is now vertical.  |  IP: Logged Bill Enos Film God Posts: 2081 From: Richmond, Virginia, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 04-20-2008 07:22 PM                     A guy who workedwith me about 15 or so years ago graduated college and took the job of his dreams in LA. He was OK with the first minor quake that woke him and shook his stuff off the dreser, about 18 mos. later the BIG one hit while he was at work. No issues at work but when he got home, his apartment building was 3 feet off its foundation and he wasn't allowed in for 2 or 3 weeks to get his belongings before the building was cleared for demolition. He said enough is enough and requested a transfer to another part of the country and got it a couple months later, to Buffalo. Says at least you can see snow coming.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-20-2008 07:48 PM                     Rick, Didn't know you were into splunking... I never stopped to think about glaciation... however if one does pause and think about it in general terms even a huge glacier is more likely to carve out a smooth swath than to upheave much of anything. A glacier would typically leave a huge pile of debris at the front of its path after it has receeded. Both Long Island and Cape Cod are two debris fields left behind by glaciers. Neither of these land masses has much uplift to speak of. Any idea of how a glacier might upheave something? Mark  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 04-20-2008 10:16 PM                  I've been thru several earthquakes and other nasty stuff that Mother Nature dishes out. I'm pretty pragmatic about it all...if it's your time to go, it doesn't matter where you are. Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. It might be Mother Nature or even a heart attack, car wreck, or a plane crash. I think it's silly to move from someplace to another cuz of some perceived "threat". No matter where ya go there are hazards whether it be earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, sink holes, floods, wildfires, lightning, etc. I say live where you enjoy life and feel "grounded" and stop worrying about your mortality. To each his own.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 04-20-2008 11:56 PM                     quote: Mark Gulbrandsen You guys don't have a clue... any of you know what the Lithosphere is? I think you need to go spend 5 minutes and study Plate Tectonics. As long as the Earth's core is molten the earth's crust or Lithosphere which is the Crust and the upper part of the mantle keep moving. You guys? There was only one person indicating that continents don't move (and I thought I was pretty clear that his description of what you were talking about wasn't valid). I was trying to tell him that if a continent moves at all it wouldn't be on "ground" at all since the continent itself IS the ground in question. But I did agree with him that the predictions can't necessarily be relied upon. We can't emphatically say that the molten core will flow in the same way as it does now for eternity because of events we haven't seen yet; for instance we have no idea how the core flows when the north/south poles switch and it's bound to happen eventually.  |  IP: Logged Allison Parsons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 630 From: East Peoria, IL Registered: Oct 2004 posted 04-21-2008 02:45 AM                        quote: Mike Schindler P.S. Allison, I got another one of your robots a couple weeks ago Excellent!  |  IP: Logged

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