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Author Topic: 3D: Apparently they're out of ideas already Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-18-2008 01:49 PM                        I can just imagine, every tired old horror movie franchise will now be rebooted....in 3-D!  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 06-18-2008 03:10 PM                        I had the good fortune to be around when the first color dual projection 3-D film was released in 1952 and it was Arch Oboler's BWANA DEVIL in Natural Vision at Honolulu's Liberty Theatre. I was only fourteen at that time and I was immediately hooked and made an effort to see every 3-D film that played there. Unfortunately some of the better 3-D films that were released later such as KISS ME KATE, DIAL M FOR MURDER, HONDO, CHARGE AT FEATHER RIVER and one or two others did not play in Honolulu in 3-D. Some of the better ones I remember seeing included INFERNO, THE MAZE, THOSE REDHEADS FROM SEATTLE in addition to the classics such as HOUSE OF WAX, IT CAME FROM OUT OF SPACE and THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON. After dual projection 3-D had faded away in the fifties, I was very happy when I learned about a single projection 3-D system some studios were going to use to reintroduce the process in theatres with FRIDAY 13th in 3-D, JAWS 3-D and a few others. Frankly, I thought the process was dreadful and no way came close to the 3-D films I had enjoyed in the fifties. After that bad experience, the next opportunity I had with 3-D cinema was IMAX 3-D when I saw ACROSS THE SEA OF TIME at Lincoln Centre in New York City and was captivated by the process and was very happy when Honolulu's now defunct IMAX theatre had installed it. Today's 3-D films in Real D is very good but in my opinion is not as good as the original 3-D films in the fifties and IMAX 3-D. Unlike many of you, I am very excited about the future use of 3-D in cinema but not too trilled about it's use mostly with animated films in the near future.. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 06-18-2008 03:42 PM                        3D didn't add anything to Nightmare Before Christmas. That's one of my favorite movies, so when I saw it in 3D I was underwhelmed. I'd rather watch it in 2D. Surround sound adds to the movie experience... 3D notsomuch. Also, charging people more for 3D movies is ridiculous, especially when it adds little/nothing to the experience. You don't charge people more for movies in 5.1 sound. So the 3D/surround sound analogy is extremely flawed.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-18-2008 03:43 PM                     quote: Mike Blakesley I guess the biggest problem I have with 3D is the marketing. If they scream 3D!!! all over the advertising, any theatre that does not have the movie in 3D will at least get complaints, and probably lose business too. That's part of the cost of "keeping up with the Joneses." Some theater operators were griping about how 5.1 digital surround sound was unnecessary or how stadium seating was unnecessary. Yet you can't open a decent theater without supporting at least one or both "gimmicks" now. Digital cinema is posing some of the same problem. And "digital 3D" just adds to that. Any theater operator can scoff that both are unnecessary, but if he's losing too many customers to rivals over the issue then he'll have to find some way to install it. The upside for theaters without "digital" or "3D" is the newspaper stack ads have not been good about showing any of that tech stuff regarding presentation for years. Open up most newspapers and the ads are often generic. You won't know how the show is being presented until you're there in the auditorium. quote: Joe Redifer 3D didn't add anything to Nightmare Before Christmas. One big reason why is the 3D was faked -or rather, "simulated." Superman Returns was an underwhelming IMAX 3D experience.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 06-18-2008 03:46 PM                        I've also seen a real, proper IMAX 3D movie when I was in Vegas, and it made everything seem so small. If anything it detracted from the experience. It was cool ONLY as a curiosity, nothing more. Like I said, the surround/3D analogy is an extremely bad one.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 06-18-2008 04:35 PM                        Joe, its is funny you had mentioned the 3-D showing of NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS. I tried to buy a regular price ticket for it and told the girl at the box office I was going to use the glasses I got from a previous 3-D showing in Real D at that theatre and she told me I must pay the full admission including a new pair of glasses. I had no choice but to pay it because I was curious to see how the original 2-D film looked like with the added dimension. Like you, I was not very impressed when I saw it in 3-D. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 06-18-2008 04:50 PM                        Movie theaters that show 3D movies do not believe in recycling. They want to charge you full price each time and have you throw away the glasses afterwards. They HATE the environment with a passion. Avoid these theaters.... which is pretty much ALL theaters that play 3D that don't use shutter goggles. In all honesty, you're not paying for the glasses, you're paying for the "privilege" of seeing the movie in 3D.  |  IP: Logged Allison Parsons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 630 From: East Peoria, IL Registered: Oct 2004 posted 06-18-2008 05:26 PM                        quote: Bobby Henderson U23D was excellent. Yes it was. If these 3-D movies are going to hurt my eyes like the preview for the 3-D kid movie with the flies in space, I'm steering clear of all of them. Being as blind as a bat without my glasses, I can safely say that wearing the 3-D glasses over my regular glasses didn't pose a problem what so ever.  |  IP: Logged Hillary Charles Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 748 From: York, PA, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 06-18-2008 05:44 PM                     quote: Geoff Jones As a filmgoer, I don't like the idea of 3D because it distracts me from the story, and I don't like wearing the glasses. Yeah Geoff, having to wear glasses for any reason totally sucks. Nice avatar, BTW.  |  IP: Logged Geoff Jones Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 579 From: Broomfield, CO, USA Registered: Feb 2006 posted 06-19-2008 12:59 AM                        Hahaha!  |  IP: Logged Charles Greenlee Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 801 From: Savannah, Ga, U.S. Registered: Jun 2006 posted 06-19-2008 01:38 AM                        I like 3D where I've seen it. Grant that's limited to thing like Terminator 2-#D, and Muppetvision, and other theme park shows. But as previously stated about the novelty, or special presentation value, I think trying to make your average cinema feature in 3D isn't a very good idea. Those special shows are designed to show off the 3D and are watched under the premise that you will have spit gags and the like. You are watching it for the novelty of it. And yeah, from what I understand, any 2D movie "upconverted" to 3D is craptastic. I've ben wondering how you add in that extra D worth of information, where it didn't exist with the original image.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 06-19-2008 03:39 AM                        I've only seen one modern 3D film and that was Beowulf. What impressed me was not the gimmick shots, but the depth of field. There was more than one scene where I truly got the feeling of being in the room - as though I would see more by leaning to the left or right so I could peer around the shoulder of the character standing in front of me. In my opinion, that's where the real future of 3D lies. I have to admit there is a perverse side of me that is interested in seeing something like a Saw or Hostel made for 3D.  |  IP: Logged Charles Greenlee Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 801 From: Savannah, Ga, U.S. Registered: Jun 2006 posted 06-19-2008 04:16 AM                        Well that'd be cool if they'd spray warm water over the audience, like it was blood in a scene where blood got sprayed out somehow. Though it may be enough to make some of the weak minded sick. Or even cause panic, in Japan. Those people are always running in the streets, especially chased by a giant lizard. Which would actually be a decent movie for 3D. Lots of debris, Godzilla throwing cars and such. Blasting the audience with his breath. Good fun. Somehow I expect there's already a #D version of it in the old blue and red.  |  IP: Logged Mark Lensenmayer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1605 From: Upper Arlington, OH Registered: Sep 1999 posted 06-19-2008 07:18 AM                     Just like good and bad movies, there is good and bad 3-D. The key is the story. If you have a good story, 3-D can enhance the picture. If you look at DIAL M, there are very very few 3-D gimmicks. The only time the 3-D is obvious is when the hand with the knife comes out of the screen, involving the audience with the act. Another good 3-D film is HOUSE OF WAX, with a good story. Gimmicks are limited pretty much to the amazing paddleball guy. But the story still is the strongest element. (and the director of that film had only 1 eye and couldn't see a 3rd dimension) Polar Express works well as a 2-d film, but even better in 3-D, because the story is the important thing. 3-D added only an element of fun to NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS...its still a great picture. Until someone (and I've got high hopes for James Cameron here) pays more attention to the story than the effects, 3D will be hot for awhile then die off. Someday Hollywood will learn that GOOD STORIES will save the industry, not gimmicks.  |  IP: Logged

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