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Joe Redifer
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posted 10-13-2008 03:22 AM

Yeah right... Tim Burton work with Johnny Depp? Never.

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Galen Murphy-Fahlgren
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posted 10-13-2008 09:34 AM

Wow, what a killer combination! Take an overhyped director, an extremely overhyped actor, and have them make the sequel to the sequel to the sequel of an extraordinarily overhyped movie! Tim Burton has been involved in 3 good movies, Johnny Depp, 2, and Pirates of the Caribbean, 0! I can't wait, especially if this one has 20 minutes of credits with a teaser at the end, because everybody knows 12 just isn't enough.

I'm sure some people are going to take strong issue with this assessment, and I have not seen the entirety of either of their filmographies, so they could have more good movies, but they would still be a small percentage of their work, in my opinion.

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Chris Slycord
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posted 10-13-2008 10:59 AM

Then you and I have vast differences in opinions of acting abilities.

Depp = fantastic in From Hell, Sleepy Hollow, Secret Window (even though the movie overall was only ok), Chocolat, Blow, Ninth Gate, Charlie & the Chocolate Factory.

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Joe Tommassello
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posted 10-13-2008 11:13 AM

quote: Chad Souder
And it probably was because of that second one stinking that the grosses of the 3rd fell right back to where they were for the first.

Yeah, $320 million is so fucking lame!!!

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Take an overhyped director, an extremely overhyped actor, and have them make the sequel to the sequel to the sequel of an extraordinarily overhyped movie!

Galen, you are demonstrating the ignorance of your youth and inexperience again. Tim Burton is one of the most creative minds in Hollywood - since before you were born. If it weren't for him there would probably not have been a "Dark Knight" this summer. And Johnny Depp? Trashing him will get you little support on this board IMHO. He may choose some quirky roles but he's one of the few actors in this day secure enough in his talent to take on a screwy character without obsessing about how it will effect his image.

Both Depp and Burton are masterful modern-day storytellers. They make films that ignite both the imagination and box office. If you are going to be in this business stop trying to be more cerebral than everyone else and figure out how to make some money! Jurassic Park 2 paid for Schindler's List! Careful you don't get fired for biting the hands that feed the industry.

Now let me ask a question of you Galen...what were Tim Burton's three good movies and Johnny Depp's two?

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Galen Murphy-Fahlgren
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posted 10-13-2008 01:01 PM

I'm not suggesting that Depp is a bad actor, I in fact think he is quite good. A good actor does not a good movie make, or role for that matter. I liked Edward Scissorhands and Chocolat. I liked him in Fear and Loathing and Blow, but did not think they were good movies. I have not seen Ed Wood, which I hear is a tour de force, but see my comment about not having seen all of their movies.

Burton, of course, wrote, produced and directed the aforementioned Edward Scissorhands, and directed Big Fish and Pee Wee's Big Adventure. And then there is Ed Wood, which I once again have not seen. I have seen a much smaller percentage of his total works, so I may be a bit quick to judge, but his recent works and those most often associated with him are particularly bad, in my opinion. (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Planet of the Apes, Sweeney Todd. He wrote and produced Nightmare Before Christmas, whose only virtue is its technical excellence.)

I may give them too little credit, but I really believe they are given far too much credit by most, and there is also the fact that the Pirates franchise is lacking in, shall we say, good-ness? Even if Burton were the magnificent director you claim he is, and Depp the incomparable character actor, what can you do with crap?

I also don't think I'm biting the hand that feeds here. I think exhibitors need to be critical of on screen product in much the same way they are of concession product. Would you stock crappy quality seed or samosas, or use inferior oil? You might sell thousands of dollars of corn a weekend for a while, but eventually people are going to stop eating it. What do you do with you 16- and 20-plexes when the metaphorical corn gets too nasty for people to swallow? I believe the industry is going to have a contraction within the next few years, where there isn't enough product to justify having an enormous number of screens, and I think the credit situation is going to hasten this, since production is not financed by a big checking account, but by investment. I, of course, will be sitting pretty, because Bollywood apparently has better storytelling than Hollywood. I can't really tell, because I can't understand what anyone is saying, but the musical numbers are pretty cool.

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Joe Tommassello
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posted 10-13-2008 02:33 PM

Galen:

Glancing over Tim Burton's IMDB page I can comfortably state that I think every film on it since (and including) Pee Wee's Big Adventure was at the least an entertaining ride with the exception of one...Planet of the Apes. I suggest you check out anything you haven't seen from that list...especially Ed Wood.

I heartily agree there are too many screens and not enough quality product. It kind of goes back to our IJ4 debate when I was saying that home video has altered the movie business forever and not in a good way. The days of the 600 seat single theater playing a hit movie to well-sold houses for six months at a time are long gone. Movies seemed to be fewer and of better quality then with "junk" being restricted primarily to drive-ins and grindhouses.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 10-13-2008 05:49 PM

quote: Joe Tommassello
The days of the 600 seat single theater playing a hit movie to well-sold houses for six months at a time are long gone.

Well of course they are, but it's not the movies' fault. The majority of the movies were bad long before the age of the multiplex.

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Joe Tommassello
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posted 10-13-2008 06:02 PM

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Well of course they are, but it's not the movies' fault. The majority of the movies were bad long before the age of the multiplex.

Like I said Mike...it was home video (and related technologies) that poisoned the movie industry. Remember Disney releasing their classic films something like every nine years. Every time it was a big deal. Every time it made money because there was a new generation of moviegoers - and as parents we wanted to "share the magic" with our own demon spawn! It was genius. Today it's impossible. Where is the 70mm release of Sleeping Beauty like in '79? It's on DVD...that's where it is! Let me suggest that if there was no "home theater" technology as we have today and Steve and George had the first three IJ films in the can and not seen ANYWHERE for the past ten years they wouldn't have had to rape Indy on South Park last week (disturbing show)...they could have made more money just re-releasing the other films. Home video sucks! Now I have to go...I am watching a disc I got from Netflix tonight!

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