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Rick Raskin
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"Days of Heaven" - Originally shown in 70mm, and won best cinematography award. Described in American Film as a "painterly", the photography was exceptionally beautiful. And coupled with a Morricone score and Terrence Makick direction it was something to behold. Sadly, I heard no 70mm prints exist today.

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Bobby Henderson
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I could have sworn Days of Heaven was originally shot on 35mm and then blown up to 70mm. Nevertheless, Nestor Almendros' Oscar winning cinematography was a great achievement. Although the movie is great looking, I don't consider it to be "perfect" in terms of its dramatic narrative.

It's difficult to honestly think of movies that seem perfect in their planning and execution. Classics like Lawrence of Arabia and Casablanca deserve to be mentioned.

We all have our own bias toward movies we regard as favorites, even if they're flawed in some way, because they entertained us to the point where we left the theater with that "movie high."

There's parts of Die Hard that are honestly pretty stupid, but that show seemed to hit the right notes amidst a blistering 70mm 6-track Dolby Stereo presentation. I went into the theater certain I was going to hate it (it will be Moonlighting in 70mm). I was really surprised at how much I liked that movie. E.T.: The Extraterrestrial was another that hit me that way. I was 14 when I saw the movie and I just thought, "ugh, this is going to be a movie for little kids," but I wound up really getting blown away by it -and then angrily pissed when Gandhi beat it for the Best Picture Oscar.

There's a decent number of movies made within the last 30 years that seem perfect and not diluted with wasteful scenes.

The Shawshank Redemption is one that comes to mind. That movie plumbs some dark emotional depths and yet reaches an exhilarating high at the end.

I consider L.A. Confidential one of the very best movies of the 1990s, even though it was shot in Super35. That movie works on numerous levels and gets away with taking huge chances, such as what the protagonist does with the villain near the end of the movie. The Usual Suspects is another favorite.

There's lots of others I'm leaving out. If this thread goes on long enough it's certain most of the great ones will get mentioned.

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Geoff Jones
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JAWS

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Michael Barry
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I'm going to get all artsy on you - I'm putting down Ingmar Bergman's 'Wild Strawberries', 'Winter Light' and 'Persona'.

Movie heaven!

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Demetris Thoupis
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I always found "The Patriot" to be one of the best!

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Mike Schindler
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If you like THE PATRIOT, check out THE LIMEY. Same story in only half the time, and with a point. [thumbsup]

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Joe Tommassello
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Some great suggestions here. Glad to see some of my favorites are shared by others and I definitely plan to see LOA again...but you 70mm guys are bumming me out. Let me say when the blu-ray disc pops up on my 65 HD TV and plays through my home audio setup it will be as close as possible to the 70mm experience as I am likely to get.

I do want to comment on someone's list...

quote: Julie Lucero
STAR WARS (1977)
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980)
RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK (1981)
AN OFFICER AND A GENTLEMAN (1982)
SIXTEEN CANDLES (1984)
THE BREAKFAST CLUB (1985)
FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF (1986)
THE LITTLE MERMAID (1989)
GHOST (1990)
TITANIC (1997)

Julie, I agree with many of these and from some of the titles I guess you are younger than me. I am particularly impressed that you added "An Officer and a Gentleman" which would not have crossed my mind. In fact most Taylor Hackford films are meticulously crafted. Films like Ray, The Idolmaker and The Devil's Advocate also qualify in my opinion. On the other hand...

Two of the films on your list definitely have that awkward chill-inducing dialog problem. Empire Strikes Back is one and...worse yet...Titanic.

Titanic is SO CLOSE to perfection it's criminal that it isn't. Even the sappy love story is palatable enough...but the childish 16 y/o girl dialog isn't. With about three minutes of re-edits or re-shot footage it could be perfect. The "spit like a man" scene is so bad the words are like a cheese grater on my eardrums. Doesn't anyone have the guts to go to a James Cameron and say "Jim, that one sequence is really lame"? It takes a three and a half hour movie that moves at lightning speed through 99% of it and stops it dead in it's tracks. I recall there being a few other bits of dialog that made me squirm too - like in the third class party scene. Sorry to go off on this tangent but it's the only film I can think of that was so incredibly great for such a huge percentage of it's "titanic" length yet has little snippets that are so devastatingly, ridiculously bad.

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Galen Murphy-Fahlgren
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I'll bite. [Razz]

I agree with a lot of these suggestions, and respectfully disagree with some too. Bear with me, since my list is based mostly on my DVD collection and trying to remember what I've seen at theaters over the course of several years.

Bobby mentions The Shawshank Redemption, which is a movie much beloved to me, and deserves mention as being one movie that kicks the crap out of the book. That Morgan Freeman's character is originally Irish is neat too.

Obviously, pretty much anything Lang touched was gold, at least in the silent era. I haven't seen any of his talkies, and many great directors didn't make that transition well. Godard's Contempt (Le Mepris), which features Fritz Lang in the role of Fritz Lang, is another masterpiece and favorite of mine, and funny too.

Murnau's Nosferatu is perhaps my all time favorite movie, and I'm going to see it in 35mm with live accompaniment from the Alloy Orchestra for the second time 12 days from now. I'm super pumped.

Also deserving of the title "perfect movie" is Dreyer's The Passion of Joan of Arc, which is perhaps the best shot movie of all time. I haven't seen every movie, but this beats most everything I have seen by a good margin. Saw it at the inimitable Redford Theatre a few years ago with a live choir. I don't think even the recovered Metropolis footage will displace this as the greatest lost movie find ever, especially considering the discovered print of The Passion was found in a janitor's closet in an Oslo asylum, of all places.

And to list a few more:
Dr. Strangelove
Okamoto's Kill!
Kobayashi's Samurai Rebellion
The Seven Samurai
The William Castle version of House on Haunted Hill

I'll go out on a limb and say Wes Anderson's The Royal Tenenbaums, but I bet a lot of people here are going to want to rip that to shreds. That's fine, I think it speaks more to my generation anyhow. My mother loves it, but she's pretty "hip" and "with it", we even take her to concerts and don't pretend she isn't our mother.

I could probably go on for another 50 movies, but I've paced every hall in my house for an hour racking my brain and rifled through my DVDs 5 times already. Maybe later.

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Julie Lucero
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quote: Joe Tommassello
Two of the films on your list definitely have that awkward chill-inducing dialog problem. Empire Strikes Back is one
How so? Example(s), please.

I'll go one step beyond and proclaim THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK the best sequel ever made.

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Steve Guttag
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While _I_ certainly like Empire the best of the Star Wars...it is not a universal opinion as attendence figures will show.

As to best sequals...normally that honor consistantly goes to Godfather II. In fact, most consider Godfather II to surpass the original (I don't agree). To win back-to-back Oscars for the Godfather I and II is a pretty impressive feat.

I would add to the list many of the Charlie Chaplin films too.

Steve

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Allison Parsons
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My perfect 'adult' movie:
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My pefect 'kids' movie:
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David Stambaugh
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Empire Strikes Back would have to make my list. I still clearly remember seeing it for the first time. I sneaked out of work to see the first show on opening day at the Edwards Big Newport, in 5/70 of course. After the movie I walked out of the theater thinking Wow: Irvin Kershner did a masterful job with this movie.

My list of perfect movies must include Airplane!.

I will be ridiculed for saying this but I also love Out of Africa.

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Gordon McLeod
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The Most Dangerous Game
KING KONG the original
Chinatown
Inherit the Wind
The Sting
Adventures of Robin Hood (Flynn version)

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Brad Miller
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Wow, I'm surprised Shawshank Redemption only got mentioned by two people. It is definitely fitting of the "perfect movie" title. City Lights (1931) is another excellent piece of filmmaking that I'll bet few people these days have seen. There are tons more (most from the 80s and 90s), but it seems Hollywood for the most part has hit its peak and is on a downward spiral toward a steaming pile of poo. [Frown]

I see there are a lot of fans of Ferris Bueller. You guys should check out License to Drive. [thumbsup]

To Steve, Mr. Holland's Opus was AWFUL! What were you smoking when you saw that?

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Mike Schindler
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I recently re-watched all six Star Wars films back-to-back. While all of them are great movies, I'm always amazed by how much better EMPIRE is than all of the others. It certainly is nearly perfect. Kershner is the bomb.

Another movie which needs to be on the list is KILL BILL.

And not to knock LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, but if a movie needs to be seen in a particular format in order for it to work, that means it's not perfect.

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