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Author Topic: Ridiculous Gas Milage Claims by GM for Chevy Volt Charles Greenlee Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 801 From: Savannah, Ga, U.S. Registered: Jun 2006 posted 08-11-2009 07:49 PM                        Maybe with that kind of price tag, it'll attract those that can afford the gas guzzling hummers? Ah, what am I saying? It's not the price tag issue, they buy the hummers for flash and a johnson showing contest. Sure there are other equally pricey cars out there, but they not as flashy and big and power pushing like the hummers. What good is having money if you can't show it, while you run smaller vehicles off the road. If I hit the lotto, I'd still drive a car like mine, just with new paint, a better radio, and the minor bugs ironed out. Maybe I'd buy another and convert it to all electric, and strap a few solar panels to my roof. I don't need big and flashy, I need effective. If I ever have need for a heavy vehicle, I'd use it for what I needed it for (i.e. a truck for towing or hauling stuff), and keep it garaged for other times. But that's if I won the lotto. For those that need the trucks and such for working, and don't have the free scratch for a separate commuter car, I'm not criticize you. Just the people that can afford more but choose to drive guzzlers.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-11-2009 07:51 PM                     Even worse than the milage claim is the rediclous 45K price tag. I can buy loads and loads and loads of gas for 45K! I wonder how long it'll take for the electronics to go obsolete...? quote: Charles Greenlee it'll attract those that can afford the gas guzzling hummers? Gas guzzling? You don't know what you're talking about. Mine gets 21mpg if I keep it at or under 75mph. I got 22.5 on one leg of my last service trip!!! That makes for a 450 mile range on one tank full of 85. Mine only cost half the price of the Volt. has gone 50K zero problem miles and counting about half that is off road miles. I'm with Josh... they'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands... and then my wife's! We are going to buy a second one later this year! Mark  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 08-11-2009 07:55 PM                     And it is hilarious that the price tag went up from original because they realized they hadn't designed it to be able to run off the battery... and have stuff like a radio or AC. They'd forgotten about the fucking alternator that usually ran those things and that an engine lacking those movie parts wouldn't have one. So they had to add more battery at the last minute and up the price. Noobs.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 08-11-2009 09:46 PM                     quote: Charles Greenlee gas guzzling hummers He prob meant the "H" and the "H2" units which are horrible gas pigs, not the "H3" with that straight '5' to be fuel efficient. That H2 PU looks like a Wells Fargo Stagecoach if painted just right with low profiles on it...  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-11-2009 10:12 PM                     Donno Monte... the H-1 Deisel units do pretty good actually. These are close to 8,000 lb vehicles too. Generally the folks that buy em have em for the protection they afford or if they do drive em as "around town vehicles" they can afford it. Mark  |  IP: Logged Geoff Jones Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 579 From: Broomfield, CO, USA Registered: Feb 2006 posted 08-12-2009 09:15 AM                        quote: Mike Blakesley Has anyone ever considered all the emissions and etc. necessary to produce the batteries for electric cars? How does that figure in to the "carbon footprint" reduction from not burning as much gas? If you do find numbers for those, be sure to also to get numbers for all the emissions necessary to get petroleum out of the ground, refined, and out to the pumps. And don't forget the political cost (middle east) and the ecological risk (spills, etc).  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-12-2009 12:09 PM                     GEoff, Haven't you read the Prius vs. The Hummer article? It goes into exactly that. The Nickel for the batteries comes from Canada and a mine in one of the most poluted areas of the world! That raw nickle goes to Ireland or Scotland(can't remember which) to be refined and then the refined nickle goes to China to be made into plates for batteries and then to Japan to be made into actual batteries. The batteries if not properly disposed of will pollute a given landfill for in excess of 500 years. The emissions from just one boat load of Nickle goes way beyond what an entire production fleet of Hummers expels in their useful life span. Oh yea, and the useful lifespan of a Hummer is about twice of what they predict it is for the Prius because of electronic obsolescence. Because of this study the later Prius's went to Lithum batteries. They say the lifespan for a Hummer is 317,000 miles or 29 years and for the Prius about 103,000 miles or 12 years. One thing is for sure... I wouldn't want to get in any kind of an accident whilst strapped inside of a Prius! Mark  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 08-12-2009 12:38 PM                     quote: I wouldn't want to get in any kind of an accident whilst strapped inside of a Prius! ....and would you believe that a SMART CAR is more safer ...? Thing is actually a roll cage on wheels. It's like if a "Beamer" hits a SMART CAR head on, the "Beamer" will lose. It's not like the olden days of a VW "Bug" and a German Shepard where the dog wins in a head on collison. It's prob gonna take a good generation for this hybrid/electric form of transportation to be the norm to finally bring the prices of them down to be affordable. Yet, with the VOLT,I can see lease sales going out the roof. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Dan Lyons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 698 From: Seal Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 08-12-2009 01:42 PM                     Go ahead and keep pumping the petrol into your cars guys, keep sending your $$$ to the terrorist nations who kill our soldiers and bomb supermarkets.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 08-12-2009 01:43 PM                        quote: Mark Gulbrandsen I wouldn't want to get in any kind of an accident whilst strapped inside of a Prius Hummer H3 and Prius have very similar crash test ratings for driver and passenger safety. Not a huge difference at all. The Hummer handily loses to the Prius in rollover resistance though.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-12-2009 02:35 PM                        After just a casual reading of this thread, I think we'll be driving gas vehicles for a long time to come.  |  IP: Logged Charles Greenlee Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 801 From: Savannah, Ga, U.S. Registered: Jun 2006 posted 08-12-2009 07:17 PM                        Well, currently, I like my car. It's a '94 Honda Civic Del-Sol. It gets 37 Mpg (with ac running), burning standard octane, nothing special, nor ethanol. It's not a hybrid, just a straight up gasser. But oddly, it still gets better milage than many hybrids. It's no dragster but it can scoot pretty well, and nimble. My biggest complaints are, no power steering, and people like to merge in with me. I guess they don't see me? I'm not that small, not like a beetle or smart car. Plus, I'm bright "pull me over" red. Evedently, the gov't is supposed to up the percentage of ethanol added to fues soon, which is claimed will make some current, non-flex fuel, cars run crappy. The non-flex ones that can tolerate the higher amounts will quickly degrade as they aren't designed to burn ethanol. It almost sounds like we are being forced to convert. "Convert or die!" My car is quite efficient, comparitivley, and runs fine. It serves me well, and I can't afford to replace or upgrade it. If the rumor is true, I kinda resent being forced to spend money I don't have to replace a vehicle which has no problem.  |  IP: Logged Geoff Jones Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 579 From: Broomfield, CO, USA Registered: Feb 2006 posted 08-12-2009 09:29 PM                        Yes MArk, I've read the study. I've also read a bunch of studies that point out its ridiculous inaccuracies. Do a quick google search for Prius vs Hummer and see what comes up. My Prius has more than 103k miles. I guess it's due to fall apart any day. Next you'll be claiming 2k digital projection looks as good as properly presented film!  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 08-12-2009 10:35 PM                     quote: Geoff Jones I guess it's due to fall apart any day. "NOT!" .. Hey, it's a Toyota and they run forever .... Our friends from the "Land of the Rising Sun" knows how to build cars... Even Detroit had to send their bigwigs over there to get some pointers of success a few years back ... How many remember GM's Electric Car, the EV1 in the mid 90's? It looked that had serious promise, but just leasing them was an absolute disaster.. And if one was to purchase an EV1, that price tag was well over $30k to begin with. -Monte  |  IP: Logged

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