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Author Topic: Banks, Paychecks, Service Fees
Bill Enos
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Banks seem to take pride in fucking the customers with fees that no other industry would dare do. Mike, do you charge you customers a fee for counting their cash payment at the box office? Banks do.

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Louis Bornwasser
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Generally, corporate customers and "key" customers don't pay any fees. You pay fees if the bank can "presuade" you to do so. I have no longer any loyalty to any bank and do not hesitate to move when not taken care of. Louis

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Paul Mayer
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Thats what we need. . . . a casino in a bank!
Well, they have been acting like casinos for quite a few years now, placing gigantic bets... with our money! And when they crashed, we bailed them out! WTF was up with that?

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Mark J. Marshall
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quote: Rick Raskin
No way is it fraud. No one is forcing you to cash the check at said bank.
You're missing the point. The check is FROM THE BANK, and it says it is worth a certain amount TO THEM. When you turn it in to them, you get less than that. Since that check is usually issued as a form of payment for some service or good (unless it's a gift)... seems to me that's a problem.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Mark J. Marshall
With all due respect... what the hell are you talking about? It seems to me that if you presented Mark G. with a contract that said that you would pay him so much money, and then gave him a check for that amount, and when he took it to your bank to cash it he was only able to get the amount you promised him minus $5, one of you (either you or your bank) has committed fraud.
You're making no sense. If the scenario you describe did happen, Mark has an argument with the BANK, not me, if he doesn't like the fee. If he doesn't bank at my bank, he should take it to his own damn bank and cash it.

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Jeremy Weigel
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quote: Mark J. Marshall
If an employee brings a pay check to the bank that the business is using, the employee gets charged a service fee to cash the check if they don't have an account there.
Has this actually been confirmed as happening? I've never had nor have I heard of anyone ever being charged a fee for cashing any check drawn on an account by the bank holding the account. And I've cashed quite a few checks at both large and small banks.

Now I have had to show my photo ID (usually a drivers license from which they write down all pertinent info) and thumb or forefinger print with my endorsement on the back of the check.

As to whether it is legal to do so, especially with a payroll check, I would imagine it depends on the state. When in doubt call the Attorney General's office or Labor Department for your state.

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Mike Blakesley
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The way banks are regulated and inspected (especially THESE days), I'd highly doubt that a bank would knowingly charge a fee that was illegal in that state.

People just assume that banks are rolling in dough because they usually are in nice buildings, and all the people inside are well-dressed. In reality, they are just a business like any other: Trying to make a profit any way they can.

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Steve Guttag
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Mike you are delusional if you thing a sign gives most any business any legal anything.

Again, I'd be curious if the issuing bank charging a fee on a payroll check to the employee has ever been tested up to the Supreme Court. I highly doubt it has because I don't see as the bank ever winning on that one. A check is a promissory note. The employer and the bank are the ones stating its value.

Now if the bank didn't issue the check, then it could charge what it wanted or refuse it all together...just like any other check cashing service. But if it is their check? That is one worth suing over. And a sign posted doesn't mean squat. Take some consumer law classes...you'd be amazed how little a sign in a business means. A sign is normally a first line of defense to try to shed responsibility and if the consumer buys into the sign, then the business saves themselves a lot of hassle.

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Mike Blakesley
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Steve, I'm well aware that signs are meaningless and don't carry much legal weight, but you can bet that if a bank has a sign about a fee posted somewhere, they will also have a "policy" or "tariff" manual somewhere that will have all of the same details spelled out in excruciating detail and their butt will be fully covered.

Don't you think that if this was actually an issue worth suing over, somebody in this great lawsuit-happy land of ours wouldn't have done it by now?

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Mark J. Marshall
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So by your logic, as long as you put a sign in your theater that your policy was to take back half of the pop corn from the large bucket when I present my coupon... that makes it OK?

And as far as "Why hasn't anyone sued yet?" ...

They have.

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The law firm of Roxborough, Pomerance & Nye, LLP filed a class action lawsuit against U.S. Bank of California for charging employees of business payroll accountholders a $10 fee to cash their paychecks. Many of these employees are lower-paid workers who do not hold personal checking accounts and rely on their employers' banks to cash their checks.

"We are seeking an injunction to stop the bank from charging $10 per paycheck cashing fees without notifying its accountholders of potential adverse legal consequences, or at the very least, to require U.S. Bank to disclose these practices to current and future business customers," says Nicholas P. Roxborough, co-managing partner of Roxborough, Pomerance & Nye who filed the lawsuit. "In the meantime, our client is reimbursing his employees who, to their knowledge, are being charged this additional fee-a practice that has not been disclosed by the bank to our client or other customers."

The plaintiff in the suit against U.S. Bank of California is Leae Asset Management, a granite, marble and recycling business that believes the bank's fees have placed the company in violation of Section 212 of the California Labor Code, which requires that paychecks 'be negotiable and payable in cash, on demand, without discount.' The plaintiff is acting on behalf of other California employers in the state, many who have lower-paid workers living paycheck to paycheck.

"Our suit against U.S. Bank of California doesn't focus on whether or not a bank has the right to charge a check cashing fee, but it does strongly contend that a bank cannot do so without advising its clients of the legal consequences, and more specifically, that this practice may subject employers to liability of certain provisions of the Labor Code," explains Roxborough.

The Department of Industrial Relations, which is responsible for enforcing the Labor Code, has already concurred that this type of bank fees violates the California Labor Code, stating that it subjects employers to criminal prosecution and substantial penalties under Labor Code 215 and 225.

Based on the outcome of similar lawsuits filed by Roxborough, Pomerance & Nye over the past two years, Roxborough is confident the bank will reach a resolution and the right thing will be done for both consumers and the employer community. Lawsuits against Bank of America and Wells Fargo Bank resulted in settlements benefiting tens of thousands of employers and employees throughout California.

It's interesting that the EMPLOYER is suing the bank because it believes that the bank's practice is putting them (the employer) in violation of California labor laws.

But that practice is strangely still going on - at least around here.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Mark J. Marshall
So by your logic, as long as you put a sign in your theater that your policy was to take back half of the pop corn from the large bucket when I present my coupon... that makes it OK?
Did you not read the article you posted? Or did you miss the part where the lawyers said that they are asking for the bank to disclose their actions rather than necessarily stop them?

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Rick Raskin
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quote: Mike J. Marshall
You're missing the point.
Not hardly. The check is from the account holder, not the bank. The bank is simply the repository for the account holder's funds and and acts as their agent. If what you say were true then the bank could be also held liable for overdrafts written by the account holder. Charging a fee is their option and does not constitute fraud, extortion, conspiracy or any other crime that I can think of. What I found out today while I was making a deposit, is that the account holder has the option to absorb the fee charged by the bank. Some do; most, I suppose, do not. Let's face reality; banks are business and will take whatever legal measures they see fit to enhance their bottom line.

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Joe Tommassello
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For the record I have checking and two savings accounts at my bank. I do all my business "online" unless I have a deposit that requires me to go there. I draw money via ATM...either from my bank or the local no-fee Wawa convenience store. My checking account is completely free of fees...they even mail a physical check for free when required. One of my savings accounts is fee-free and the other requires a minimum balance of $200 to avoid fees. I am very happy with them. Oddly, they are the same bank that Mark Marshall's wife works at and that he is posting about!

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Mark J. Marshall
So by your logic, as long as you put a sign in your theater that your policy was to take back half of the pop corn from the large bucket when I present my coupon... that makes it OK?
I guess it would, if I were to do such a thing but since that's not the way the theatre business operates, the comparison doesn't make sense.

quote: Mark J. Marshall
And as far as "Why hasn't anyone sued yet?" ...

They have.

But did they win? That's the question. Anyone can sue anyone for anything, but "winning" is the big variable of course. And like Chris pointed out, they're not trying to stop the charges, just fighting for better disclosure.

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Chris Slycord
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FYI, the case was settled.

http://newsroom.bankofamerica.com/index.php?s=43&item=7286

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