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Author Topic: Score another victory for the terrorists Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 12-29-2009 09:26 AM                     about 9 or 10 years ago, I was travelling back from Egypt with a pretty big tool case. It had a couple laptops, RTA, and all of my hand tools. On my connecting flight, Heathrow, I was pulled aside before I boarded. Security wanted to ask me about the contents of my case. They saw my meter which had a 9V battery in it on their x-ray. They said it looked like a bomb when they screened it. They already had the case right there at the boarding gate. They asked me to confirm that I was the last person to pack it and it was in my possession since then. I was thinking "fuck, I packed it last night, went out to dinner, walk on the beach, out for a few hours...." The hotel I stayed at would change my sheets and put a mint on my pillow if I went for a 5 minute walk, so I'm thinking I have no fucking idea whats in the case. They search it and the guard was cool about it and just told me I should disconnect the battery when I travel, what they saw was a battery connected to wires.  |  IP: Logged Pravin Ratnam Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 844 From: Atlanta, GA,USA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 12-31-2009 01:17 PM                     What annoys me are those leisure traveler wimps who may travel once a year getting all the airtime and saying stupid stuff "oh if it makes us safer, we must put up with it". Seriously? Should we ban liquor because there is a good chance a drunk driver will kill someone on a regular basis? And that is assuming any of those stringent measures make us safer in the first place. The dumbest rule is the 3oz liquid limitation. What is going to prevent a group of terrorists from combining their 3oz liquids into a bigger volume after they cross the checkpoint? The only terrorist dumb enough to fail these inconvenient but simple security tests are those who are going to be less competent than the dumb Nigerian guy or the even dumber Richard Reid aka the Shoe Bomber. Even if they make security fool proof, what is going to prevent Al Queda from simply bribing someone to smuggle dangerous stuff into the main terminals? They can't even protect our baggage from theft. The terrorists have already won when they have most of the country cowering in irrational fear. It's not just America. Look at the dumb airport regulations in UK and other European countries.  |  IP: Logged Joe Tommassello Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 547 From: Coatesville, PA, USA Registered: Jan 2008 posted 12-31-2009 02:40 PM                  quote: Justin Hamaker Frank, is it really fair to blame Janet Napolitano for the fact that someone with a bomb got through security as a foreign airport? Justin, YES!!! Since December 22, 2001 when Richard Reid tried to ignite his sneaker we had not had a terrorist attack in or over the US. After eight years - and ONLY 11 MONTHS INTO HER WATCH - we have had two in about 45 days. The current administration (yeah, it's their country now!) ignored the warning signs in this case including a phone call from the bomber's own father to warn us about him. So his name got put on a list? NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!! They chose to ignore the obvious clues from the Ft. Hood terrorist too. The geo-political situation is clear...it's open season on America again! Something has to be done about these goddamn, fucking MAN-CAUSED DISASTERS and the man-caused disaster causers that are causing them!!!!!! (Note to Justin and America...YOU GET WHAT YOU VOTE FOR!!!!) quote: Brad Miller Of course banning children that are not old enough to speak fluent English as well as TSA personnel from entering an airport is the best overall solution. Too bad they didn't hide their explosives in a crying baby!  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-31-2009 03:52 PM                     I'm not a moderator but Joe, your statement has many political overtones in it...I strongly suggest (as I'm sure the moderators will) that you familiarize yourself with the rules on Politicalness (there isn't to be any). Steve  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-31-2009 05:55 PM                     quote: Joe Redifer The TSA are the real terrorists. They are also 100% useless. Joe, You are 100% correct! I have two friends that are airline pilots and both say exactly that. One of them sums it all up the best... "At best they will stop Uncle Joe from carrying his gun abord... but thats about it". One thing that will probably happen as a result of all this is that if you are on that list of 550,000 you probably will no longer be allowed on a commercial airplane. I have no problem with them enforcing a rule like this. Mark  |  IP: Logged Pravin Ratnam Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 844 From: Atlanta, GA,USA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 01-01-2010 01:13 PM                     Joe T., you can stop the partisan crap. The TSA setup is pretty much the same setup we had under the prior administration. This is bipartisan incompetence. If your beloved prior administration did not spend so much time, money, and resources on a useless war, maybe we would have had a better coordination of various intelligence and other government agencies in matters like this by now. Having said that, I believe Janet N's reaction seemed clueless. She should have calmed the country down by pointing out what exactly went wrong and that the wrong way would be to cower before terrorists by overreacting. The mistake was simple. The guy's dad complained and his name should have been escalated onto a list. The solution is not to use the low level list to ban everyone else.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 01-01-2010 01:46 PM                  quote: Pravin Ratnam Joe T., you can stop the partisan crap. quote: Pravin Ratnam If your beloved prior administration did not spend so much time, money, and resources on a useless war... Pravin: Aren't you guilty of the same political horse-shit? You know, "The Pot Calling The Kettle Black" thingie.  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 01-01-2010 01:56 PM                        We have forgotten why our nation came in to existence in first place. So to remind us of those that brought about this nation I have decided to put just three quotes from the wisest man of the 18th century. Perhaps the Wisest American ever! Benjamin Franklin "Even peace may be purchased at too high a price. He that's secure is not safe. They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Just a few words to contemplate we run around punishing everyone for the actions of a few. Why not go the other way around? Pravin Ratnam please define useless War? A despot removed from power responsible for the killing of hundreds of thousands of his own people. Thousands of American's killed to bring freedom to oppressed people a country. A country now fledgling as it can be giving real democracy a go. War is never desirable just often necessary. Ask those laying in mass graves put there from the orders of Saddam Hussein if maybe we should have gone in to that "useless" war a little bit early in history!  |  IP: Logged Pravin Ratnam Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 844 From: Atlanta, GA,USA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 01-01-2010 02:24 PM                     Not really, Phil. I didn't bring up the original political point. And I did say it was a bipartisan failure. I wasn't shilling for any party like Joe T was who was clearly doing a spin job for the prior administration and making references to who one votes for. As far as Ron's point, no, I am not going to get into a big political argument here over the specifics of the iraq war because one can use that argument to remove despots anywhere(Africa, N Korean, just pick one of many countries ruled by despots who are a danger mostly to their own people and are not a serious worldwide threat) and my intention is not to derail this thread. All I will say is I brought it up because it involved an opportunity cost as related to the topic being discussed here. You spend resources somewhere , you lose it elsewhere. Too much time was debated on the war that not enough time was debated on what constitutes smart homeland security. Lip service has been paid all these years in coordinating different government agencies. When I used to hear some female announcer alert us of a different color alert, it just made me feel like I was in Logan's Run or some other scifi setup where the government tries to treat us like naive little kids. But anyway, i am in agreement with Ron on the dangers of giving up too much liberty for safety.  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 01-01-2010 02:37 PM                        I think a little more attention to a despot prior to WWII could have saved a lot of lives. 6 million Jews, 10 of thousands of Christians murdered all after the war well on the way to being lost for Germany. I don't say we can just remove all despots but I do think that the world be better off is someone would do so. The problem most governments have in bringing down these people is they worry about who would replace them. The devil you know is always less scary than the devil you don't know. What is the solution beats the hell out of me but continuous blaming those that came before or action that were done in the past doesn't feed the bulldog now. At some point you own up to what can be done to change the hear and now and the future and the mistakes that continue. Like no inter-agency sharing of information even though the laws that forbid it are off the books. It is criminal not tell the interested parties about known terror plots or change of status like has happened recently. It isn't a system break down it is break down of the people in the system. Some one pic up a friggin phone and make a call or type a memo and send to the right people. Or just wait and watch the death toll mount when the people around can't stop it when the those charged with their safety didn't do the job!  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-01-2010 06:22 PM                     TSA sucks and is completely useless on ALL levels from their effectiveness right down to their waste of money. There, the entire thread along with everyone's feelings are summed up in one sentence. No more political discussions. Thread closed. Thank you come again.  |  IP: Logged

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