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Mike Blakesley
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Since virtually every expanded movie I've ever seen has been better without the extra footage, I think six minutes is just about right.

Enough to get people to go see it again, but not enough to ruin the movie for those who like it.

I keep thinking of the expanded (on DVD) version of the original "Blues Brothers," and the original Star Wars series expansions. Most of the extra scenes just bogged things down.

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Agree fully, Mike.

There is a reason why that footage hit the cutting room floor- trouble now is the cynical exercise of re-inserting selections of that footage in order to crow-bar more money from patron's wallets and purses.

Isn't that is what the "extras" segment of most DVD's is for?

Still, if it bolsters the cinema takings then good on him.

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Only Lord Of The Rings had excellent extended edition. I doubt 6 minutes will add anything usefull in this movie.
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Louis Bornwasser
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It is already on video.

Theatres complain about the shrinking "window."

If they play this, they deserve a shrinking window. LOUIS

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Geoff Jones
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I'm not an Avatar fan but I applaud any opportunity for people to see non-current movies in theatres again.

I also thought it was neat that many theatres showed Iron Man 1 the night before #2 opened.

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Brad Miller
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The Blues Brothers had an expanded edit on DVD? What did they add?

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The extended version of The Blues Brothers adds 18 minutes of footage to the movie. They tried the reconstruct the Picwood preview track and picture print. Which was longer than the current 148 minutes in this DVD version. It amounts to expanded scenes, some are longer takes and afew extra lines. An intermission was to be included at one time for a Roadshow release. Universal junked all the extra footage and that print. We would get calls seeing if by any chance that print or anything from that screening was left during my days at that theatre.

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quote: Brad
The Blues Brothers had an expanded edit on DVD? What did they add?
From imdb.com

The Collectors' Edition on DVD runs 18 minutes longer than the original release and includes the following expanded or newly added scenes:
The two Joilet guards come to get Jake in his cell and have trouble waking him up.
One additional line from Frank Oz as he rattles off Jake's material possessions.
An additional line for the Penguin regarding missions: "I'll be sent to the missions... Africa, Latin America... Korea."
Jake and Elwood discuss getting the money for the mission honestly outside of the Triple Rock Baptist Church.
The "The Old Landmark" number is considerably longer, incorporating more dance sequences and extra verses.
After the demolition derby in the shopping mall Elwood parks the Bluesmobile in a hiding place beside an electrical power box. (John Landis explains that Aykroyd thought this would show how the car gets its incredible endurance, but also goes on to explain that it never did make any sense, so the scene was cut.)
A few extra lines of dialog when Elwood and Jake rest in his apartment.
When the cops come to arrest Jake and Elwood in the motel, they first stop at the registration desk and intimidate the manager. They also greet Sam, who seems to be known by everyone.
An entire sequence with Elwood boosting chemicals from his day job, then quitting the job to become a priest, is restored.
After the above sequence, Jake and Elwood study a cigarette box with "the last known address of Bones Malone and Blue Lou Marini".
After getting the new address of Bones Malone, Elwoods thanks Ms Tarantino before leaving.
Jake has an extra line of dialog while pep-talking Murph and the Magictones at the Holiday Inn ("Now, who here at this table can honestly say that they played any finer or felt any better than they did when they played with the Blues Brothers?")
One line of dialog for Henry Gibson is restored for the Illinois Nazis scene at the bridge, with regards to the swastika ("The sacred and ancient symbol of your race since the beginning of time!")
The "Boom Boom" number is much longer, with extra shots of John Lee Hooker laughing and arguing with his band. Jake and Elwood watch for a moment then enter the Soul Food Cafe.
"Think" has extra verses and shots of dancing.
When the band arrives at Bob's Country Bunker, Bob hands the request list to Bones Malone, who looks at it blankly.
The "Theme from Rawhide" and "Stand By Your Man" numbers are slightly longer.
The original Picwood preview included another musical number, "Sink the Bismark", but that footage has been lost.
More lines of dialog for Maury Sline in the steam room scene, mostly regarding to the old gigs having been turned into (gay) discos.
When Jake fills up the tank for the Bluesmobile, he overfills it and gas spills over. When they peel out from the station, Elwood flicks a cigarette out of the window and causes the station to explode. (Landis now says he doesn't remember why this particular scene was cut.)
Before the sound-check Curtis (Cab Calloway) explains to the band that they need to do it for the kids, since the Blues Brothers will use the money raised from that concert to pay the taxes for a church. The look on the faces of the band after they hear it is priceless!
The "Minnie the Moocher" number is considerably extended.
As Jake and Elwood sneak into the show, Elwood takes the chemicals that he stole from the show and sneaks them into the tires of the cop cars.
Both the "Everybody Needs Someone to Love" and "Sweet Home Chicago" numbers are extended.
When Jake and Elwood sneak out, the gas in the cop cars tires reacts and causes the tires to explode on some to delay the police.
An alternate line of dialog for Carrie Fisher in the sewer when she confronts Jake, about how her father "used up her last favors" with the Mafia for her wedding. In the original release it was changed due to complaints of the Italian-American community.
The lengthy climactic chase to (and through) Chicago features many extra lines and shots of racing autos.
The "assault on Daley plaza" and the Assessor's Office scenes also feature extra lines and shots.
The "Jailhouse Rock" number is slightly longer.
As the prisoners riot at the end of the film, there is a brief shot of riot-geared police guards racing into the mess hall that has been added. It changes the end of the film subtly.
The "cast of characters" and end credits are extended to accommodate the new footage.

The film was originally intended to be an old-fashioned roadshow attraction. The original cut of the film had an intermission and may have run as long as three hours. Landis was asked to cut the film after premiering a lengthy director's cut (of an answer print) at the Picwood Theatre in West Los Angeles. That version has been lost. Landis originally tried to restore the original cut several years ago, but found that Universal had thrown out all the outs, trims, negatives, and mix tracks. Landis and George Folsey Jr. restored 18 minutes from another preview print on an AVID for the Collectors' Edition, and correctly timed the picture so that Stephen Katz's photography looks as it was intended to look.

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quote: John Wilson
The original cut of the film had an intermission and may have run as long as three hours. Landis was asked to cut the film after premiering a lengthy director's cut (of an answer print) at the Picwood Theatre in West Los Angeles. That version has been lost.
Wow, that sucks. [Frown]

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John Wilson
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Mightily.

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Mike Blakesley
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Well John found a lot more information than I remembered. I would say there are two or three of those extra scenes that are worthwhile, but the rest were completely unnecessary.

The 25th Anniversary edition includes one of those two-sided DVDs which has the regular movie on one side and the expanded edition on the other.

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John Wilson
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quote: Mike Blakesley
I would say there are two or three of those extra scenes that are worthwhile, but the rest were completely unnecessary.
Agreed. (Although I would have liked to see three hours of it)

The "Minnie the Moocher" number is considerably extended.

Both the "Everybody Needs Someone to Love" and "Sweet Home Chicago" numbers are extended.

The "Jailhouse Rock" number is slightly longer.


I'd be happy with just those four.

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Mike Blakesley
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Yeah, the extended music is great. The extended acting, not so much. The scenes where Aykroyd says "We've got to figure a way to get that money honestly" and is shown actually having a job(!), just go against the character we know and love.

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Hillary Charles
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Were there any (deleted) scenes establishing the relationship between Elwood and John Candy's character? They seem to know each other at the concert, which always made me wonder if there was something relevant that was cut out.

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Richard Hamilton
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I haven't seen Avatar, but saw this online

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