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Joe Redifer
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Shutter glasses are old technology unless you consider 25 years old to be "new". Where did she say that polarized glasses are new?

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Steve Guttag
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She did say that the red/green glasses were how it was done in the '50s though anaglyph was always the poor step child of polarized. Even back in the early days of 3D. Anaglyph is only used when one does not want to change their screen or use special lenses or have external filters.

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Jennifer Pan
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I did read up on it, I guess they didn' t explain it clearly enough. No one is perfect. Anyways, I won't post the show anymore on here. For those who do want to continue watching the series go to http://theaterbites.webs.com

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Steve Guttag
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Jen,

I don't think anyone was jumping on you for posting...we have a "random videos" thread for that sort of stuff.

The notation was that the statement(s) you made had factual errors. Generally, when one writes/makes something for the point of conveying knowledge, the author fact-checks and researches to ensure what they are presenting is indeed factual. It would be like saying..."back in the 1950s, 1+1 = 3 but now math is better and 1+1 = 2."

It is indeed a popular myth that anaglyph 3D was the norm in theatres or how it was done in the "old days." when in fact polarized 3D was the system of the 50s and beyond with anaglyph only used in specific situations since it relieved one the necessity of retaining the polarization of the image (silver screen) or, in the case of home, not being practical in a typical video release. One off movies like "Spy Kids" used anaglyph since it would have been way too big a burden to equip the industry for such a movie when there was no indication of more to justify the expense. They certainly could have forced the issued and used an Over/Under film system and required theatres who booked it to equip for 3D...like they did in the '80s...but again, there was a slew of 3D films in the 80s...to the point that many/most complexes built in that era had at least one screen in the complex that was silver, just to hedge ones bets. Towards the end of the decade, when it was clear that 3D had died, yet again, that practice stopped and once again, white screens were used most everywhere in conventional cinemas (there are always some that want that hot spotty picture or just want to use too small a lamp).

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Jennifer Pan
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I did fact check. Oh well.

There isn't really anymore support here. So I don't need to post more videos in this thread. Facebook is better.

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Mike Blakesley
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Well... you did ask for comments. You never said you were only looking for praise.

I have watched all the episodes and enjoyed them but I haven't put up any comments. I suspect there are a lot more who have done the same.

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Jennifer Pan
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I actually have been tracking the amount of views coming from this site. It's few and far between since the launch of the show.

It's not about praise or what have you. If anyone wants to continue to watch or comment or put their input, feel free to do so on the Theater Bites website. Join the site if you'd like to be notified of new episodes that get posted. Thank you all.

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Steve Guttag
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Out of curiosity...where did you fact-check that in the 1950s that 3D in theatres was primarily anaglyphic?

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Jennifer Pan
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Wiki, I guess it's apparently not very reliable. I've checked different sources from there. They were either vague or gave the wrong info. I've learned my lesson to not check those pages anymore. Also, a few other sites that came up on the top of the list on Google searches about the history of 3D film were vague, as well.

If you guys know a more accurate place to get film related info please don't hesitate to link me to them. Especially one that REALLY tells you what is what and so on. I hate those sites that just give you a general fact but don't tell you if they continued or ended something or whatever. Thanks!

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Joe Redifer
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I'm still eager to hear what Peter has to say about my shutter glasses comment. It's the same technology being used today for 3D TVs except the glasses are wireless and flash a touch faster (though the flicker is still VERY visible). That's it. Old, ancient technology. So old that even IMAX 3D has used it. Old old old! The 3D glasses she has in the video are 23 years old, cost $39 new back in the day. Why do they cost $140 now? God damn I hate electronics companies! Charging an arm and a leg for old, old technology. Can you see I am having fun with saying that shutter glasses are old? Well, I am. [Smile]

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Peter Castle
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I wasn't saying that shutter glasses weren't old technology.
It's just that it always seems to be stated that shutter glasses are old when being compared to polarising systems which are older. The shutter glasses used these days are much faster than those used in the past - I do remember the (heavy) ones used by IMAX and I prefer them to the current polarised ones - and ghosting is a non-event (at least in cinemas).

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Joe Redifer
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I've never heard of anyone ever saying that shutter glasses are as old or older than polarized glasses. But she didn't discuss polarized glasses. Shutter glasses are faster, yes, but still nowhere near fast enough. Flicker is readily apparent. But then again, I seem to be able to notice a higher framerate than most people do. A lot of people I show demos to and whatnot cannot tell the difference between something running at 30fps and 60fps. Sad.

Most 3D technology is old. At least the upcoming Nintendo 3DS does 3D without any glasses whatsoever (and yes, it plays 3D movies).

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Chris Slycord
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FYI
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The connection has timed out
The server at theaterbites.webs.com is taking too long to respond.


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Julio Roberto
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Thanks Jen for the videos!

This seemed appropiate, marrying "old and new" 3D.

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/50378-nintendo-3ds-will-have-same-kind-of-warning-as-virtual-boy

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The warning messages on Nintendo's upcoming 3DS handheld will be similar to those used on the infamous migraine-inducing Virtual Boy system.

The company has reportedly been consulting with experts in the 3D field and evaluating its potential health issues. After those discussions, Nintendo is warning that the device is not safe to use for young children.

In an interview with Kotaku, Nintendo of America president Reginald Fils-Aime said, "We will recommend that very young children not look at 3D images. That's because, [in] young children, the muscles for the eyes are not fully formed."

Fils-Aime noted that warnings in 3DS material will be "the same type of messaging [that was used] for the Virtual Boy." The Virtual Boy was, of course, a large flop that was known for causing migraines in users exposed to the stark red-and-black 3D visual display.

The warning messaging, though, will also be similar to that used in today's theatrical and stereoscopic 3D movies. Fils-Aime called it "a standard protocol."

The 3DS has a toggle switch that enables gamers to tone down the 3D effect, down to the point where it looks the same as a standard 2D image. So that "young children" crowd, which is an extremely important demographic for Nintendo, will still be able to enjoy their favorite Pokemon and Mario games without the risk of eye damage.

And, of course, the "new 3D tech" in the nintendo 3DS is no less than 25 years old as well ...

As Joe said, most 3D technology is old. 3D has been researched for +100 years. If it hasn't "caught up" and become universal is not because the technology doesn't/didn't exist. It's been there all along. It's for other reasons. Technology now is just a TINY little bit better, of course, but nothing "new" or "revolutionary".

During the 50's, many (many) dozens of "A" films were generally presented in systems arguably better than today's. Dual 35mm="double light", "full resolution", "no flicker", etc. Even the dual (linear) polarizing filters allowed for about 10 times less ghosting than RealD today. Go figure.

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Jennifer Pan
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Chris and for anyone else who encounters an error on the site... you are free to go to http://jepanic.blip.tv to view the episodes.

Since theaterbites.webs.com is being hosted for free, errors like this may happen once in awhile. I'm doing the show on my own time and budget... with my crappy job its hard to put it towards the show/site. Maybe with a lot of hard work and better episodes... I hope to one day just make videos/shows for a living... here's to dreaming. [Big Grin]

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