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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 07-23-2010 02:41 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
One thing about Apple is that, aside from the things like we talked about such as RAM, hard drive and processor choice, virtually everything is "what you see is what you get."

They offer some different software apps that go along with or which can be bought for their computers but, for the most part, Mac OS is Mac OS. You won't have to worry about whether you are getting "Windows Vista Home Edition" or "Windows Vista Business Edition."

If you want to add on for iWork (word processing/spreadsheet) you can have that. If you want to add on for Final Cut Express (or Pro) you can have that. There are several different software packages you can elect to have but, overall, you are not likely to find yourself in the situation where you can't do some piece of work because you have to upgrade your computer.

This is probably the number one thing that sells Apple computers. You can literally take them out of the box, turn them on and start working with them immediately and you can start doing productive work on them in a very short time after.

There are some geeks who have done time comparisons. It is possible to start with an Apple (desktop) computer inside its sealed box and have it set up and working, printer and all, and to be on the internet checking your favorite websites in under 15 minutes from the time you cut the first piece of tape.

It probably won't be 100% perfect but you'll find it to be quite a bit easier to get along with Apple than with other computer companies.

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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 07-23-2010 03:27 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Randy Stankey
If you want to add on for Final Cut Express (or Pro) you can have that. There are several different software packages you can elect to have but, overall, you are not likely to find yourself in the situation where you can't do some piece of work because you have to upgrade your computer.
That's not entirely accurate. If someone buys a Mac Mini, standard MacBook or even a MacBook Pro in the default/more affordable configuration he may have some challenges getting a professional creative application like Final Cut Pro or Adobe After Effects working smoothly, especially if HD-quality video is being manipulated.

Customers are their own worst enemy when it comes to buying a new computer in a configuration they really need. Mac versus PC is irrelevant in this regard because the same ordering mistakes can be made at the Apple Store or Dell Online. Most people skimp on RAM and other features to save a few bucks. A $600 PC might be fine for casual at home use, but many businesses buy the same crappy hardware and end up costing themselves in the long run because the computer doesn't run nearly as fast and productive as it should.

If I was going to run Final Cut Pro and edit HD video with it, I'd have a dual CPU Mac Pro tower or at least an iMac in the best configuration I could afford. Throw in an external RAID hard disc setup for storing the video.

quote: Randy Stankey
There are some geeks who have done time comparisons. It is possible to start with an Apple (desktop) computer inside its sealed box and have it set up and working, printer and all, and to be on the internet checking your favorite websites in under 15 minutes from the time you cut the first piece of tape.
That's really an apples to oranges comparison (no pun intended) since Mac OSX and Windows don't have the same setup screens and information forms. If you immediately connect a new PC to the Internet you'll probably want to install the latest OS updates. That could take a lot of time depending on the version of Windows being used and the number of patches it needs.

When I format a hard disc and do a clean install of Windows the biggest time vampire of all is getting my 3rd party applications re-installed. The Adobe Production Studio Premium CS4 installer comes on 4 DVDs and takes up more than 20GB of hard disc space. Roland VersaWorks' CD installer goes quick, but then there's over 2GB of updates to download. Other applications, plug-ins and what not follows. It even takes a decent amount of time getting my most frequent used fonts reloaded. This situation would be hardly any different if I was installing everything clean on a Mac. Just fewer updates on the OS and anti-virus software front.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Joe Redifer
Except the MacBook Pro is not an iProduct.
Yes it is. ANYTHING made by Apple is an iProduct, whether it is iNamed or not.

quote: Randy Stankey
There are some geeks who have done time comparisons. It is possible to start with an Apple (desktop) computer inside its sealed box and have it set up and working, printer and all, and to be on the internet checking your favorite websites in under 15 minutes from the time you cut the first piece of tape.
Big iFlippin' deal. If you buy a computer from Dell you could do the same thing in the same amount of time.

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Joe Redifer
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I certainly don't buy Macs for a quick setup. Macs ask you a bunch of annoying questions the very first time you turn them on: What is your name? What country do you live in? What is your favorite day-glow color. How many photos of Steve Jobs do you have hanging on your wall, etc. The only question that concerns me is "Do you have shit that you need to transfer from another Mac?" Yes. And that takes quite a while. Up in 15 minutes? Give me a couple of hours. I'll need it and it is so, so worth the time.

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Randy Stankey
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Bobby, I did say Final Cut Experss OR PRO. That meant that, if all you want to do is cut video for the internet you could use "Express" and skip a lot of things that you don't need which would require a more robust computer. I assumed that, if the person was going to use Final Cut PRO, he would have an appropriate computer to run it on. I do agree, however, that there is a population of idiots who would try to put FCP on a computer that's too small to handle it efficiently. There's no accounting for idiots.

As Bobby said, many types of computers need updates and things when you first use them. The Mac's process is just a lot more streamlined.

Joe, I don't care for all the fluff on the "Welcome" screens but, including all the fluff, the time from opening the box to doing productive work is still short.

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