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Pravin Ratnam
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Maybe Bobby can help me out here as i am illiterate when it comes to musical instrument and sounds terminology. I just go by the sound. For me AC DC is hard rock played LOUD which is not necessarily heavy metal. It's like GNR versus the other hair bands of the 80s. GNR was more of a rock n roll band to me than those other hair bands. Metallica is more metal to me. just the nature of the guitar sound, the drum style, the tone of the vocals(either high pitched or really low pitched extremes). Themes, I guess play into the metal vs hard rock distinction. Metal has so many subgenres (death metal, regular heavy metal, goth metal, speed metal, and ughh- hair metal). I don't see AC DC fitting any of those.

I can see Otis Redding sing his version of Shook Me All Night Long, or Jams Brown sing Back in Black but I can't see either of them sing One by metallica(if brought back to life, of course). I think AC DC just play traditional rock n roll really loud. Angus's riffs reflect that old influence.

U2 , come on . All their music doesnt sound the same They had three phases. The inital , the Joshua Tree, and then the Bono in Hugeass Shades phase.

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Bobby Henderson
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I preferred the early stuff from U2. The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby were very successful albums and have a number of great tunes, but U2 just grew more mainstream sounding. Incidentally, U2 released its first studio album Boy in 1980.

Damn, 1980 was just a great freaking year for music. Pink Floyd: The Wall doesn't really qualify as a 1980 release since it hit store shelves near the end of 1979. But Another Brick in the Wall Part 2 dominated airwaves in 1980. I remember buying a copy of Zenyatta Mondatta by The Police in 1980. I was a huge Queen fan and The Game was a great album even though it differed in style from Jazz and News of the World.

Maybe I'm just out of touch or too damned old, but I have a hard time getting into music from very many new bands. I still buy CDs from time to time but more often than not the purchases are directed at older bands like Stone Temple Pilots than newer acts like The Strokes or Three Days Grace.

quote: Pravin Ratnam
For me AC DC is hard rock played LOUD which is not necessarily heavy metal. It's like GNR versus the other hair bands of the 80s. GNR was more of a rock n roll band to me than those other hair bands. Metallica is more metal to me. just the nature of the guitar sound, the drum style, the tone of the vocals(either high pitched or really low pitched extremes).
Those are good examples. Although Metallica arguably defined the standard of speed metal (as I glance at my old vinyl LP of Kill 'Em All) the band definitely had its own distinctive sound -one that has endured and become classic. The recent movie Zombieland had a wonderful opening title sequence featuring Metallica's hit For Whom the Bell Tolls. Guns & Roses definitely had a sound that differed from the usual "hair band" pop metal of the late 1980s. The band might have survived and made a lot more music if not for Axl Rose's stunts that undermined the band.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Darryl Spicer
After the death of Bon Scott, Angus Young was considering throwing in the towel until he stepped into an Australian Nightclub and heard the screams of Brian Johnson.
...who was having a bad case of appendicitis why he was screaming, laying on the floor ... and later help AC/DC come up with the 2nd greatest selling album behind MJ's "Thriller" album.

..not bad for for a lead singer's first album with a new group.

RUSH: definitely progrssive rock

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Chad Souder
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It seems to depend on the source. According to RIAA top 100 , Back in Black is 5th. But it hardly matters. It's a terrific album.

My only problem with the Brian Johnson led AC/DC is that they lost diversity from what they had with Scott. Ride On was a great song off Dirty Deeds, and Big Balls was just funny. Scott could pull off those songs because of his great vocals - he could sing loud or soft. Johnson did loud well - very well - but there was no delicacy there. It limited the band. I loved Razor's Edge though.

Regarding "Heavy Metal," AC/DC most definitely fits into the category, although they always refer to themselves as rock and roll. The term refers generically to rhythm, harmonic structure and guitar sound. There are many sub-genres of Heavy Metal and in the past 3 decades bands started this game of oneupmanship to see who could play faster, louder, etc., often sacrificing good sound.

Metallica was the first Thrash band, one of the many Heavy Metal sub-genres. Their unique style and sound largely came from Cliff Burton's classical music background. They incorporated really good music into their shredding. When Cliff died, so too did their great songwriting. They just went commercial after that and someone convinced James he could actually sing. [Roll Eyes]

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Richard Hamilton
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A band I used to be a roadie for. Chet and the Molesters

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Chad Souder
It seems to depend on the source. According to RIAA top 100 , Back in Black is 5th. But it hardly matters. It's a terrific album.
AC/DC Back in Black is the 5th best selling album of all time in the United States with 22 million copies sold. Worldwide, Back in Black has sold over 49 million copies which gives it the #2 worldwide rank.

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Chad Souder
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And any expert will tell you that while compiling accurate data in the US is difficult enough, determining foreign sales is nearly impossible. If you notice on the Wikipedia article you looked at, but didn't cite, all those album sales cite different sources. If foreign information was accurate, it would be available in one place. But its not. Much of the world doesn't keep information like we do, or they bootleg like you wouldn't believe, which is why the RIAA is one of the very few respected sources worldwide. If you have a reliable (not Wikifuckinpedia) source that has accurate worldwide data, please tell us. It would be the first I've ever seen.

But like I said, it hardly matters since its a terrific album.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Joe Redifer
Ug. I have a hard time telling the difference between most U2 songs.
Gotta agree with you there. I like some of their older stuff but it does all tend to sound alike after a while. I think they are a great live show, that could explain some of the frenzy. Plus they're an institution.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Chad Souder
And any expert will tell you that while compiling accurate data in the US is difficult enough, determining foreign sales is nearly impossible.
That may be, but there is a LOT more of the world than just the United States of America. So the 22 million units sold figure just here in the US alone is far from the total for unit sales on Back in Black.

It isn't my job, certainly not a paid one either, to keep track of what album sold what units internationally. I'll let someone else bust their ass to bring evidence to dispute AC/DC's #2 rating on the best ever album sold worldwide. Until then I'll happily watch Back in Black sit pretty at #2 worldwide. It isn't hurting me any.

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Mike Blakesley
Plus they're an institution.
What does that even mean? That they are somehow more than a band? Ug again!

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Mike Blakesley
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Well...some bands reach a point where they have so many uber-fans who would buy a record of their beer-farts, that anything they do is automatically declared great by the music media. Look at Prince as a great example. Every album he's done for the past 20 years has been unmemorable crap, but every time he poops one out, the Rolling Stone and other mags immediately start declaring it's his "best since Purple Rain" (which was in fact his last really good album).

Probably going to get flamed by a bunch of Prince fans now, but you guys know it's true. He's had flashes of brilliance, but his signal-to-noise ratio has been crappy for decades and you know it.

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Pravin Ratnam
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You got that right. Prince gets way too much slack because he is supposed to be a "genius". I love his 80s stuff. But come on, man. He is not that great where he can just put out anything. I listened to some cuts of an album he released a few years ago. Bland mediocre crap.

The same with Bruce Springsteen. I am a huge fan. But come on, man. Critics like those from Rolling Stone orgasm at every one of his releases. The guy has become too full of himself with some really tired sounding records half the time since the 90s began. I dont mind his acoustic forays, as long as they are within limits. When he does the acoustic or bare bones stuff like the one he sang for one of the Sayles 90s movies, and the Wrestler. But most of the time, it's reedy nasally sounding country twangish pretentious crap. Oh, and he is losing his concert edge too. I have seen some concert footage of him in the last few years and his voice is totally shot and his ever annoying Patty Scialfa just stands there looking like a wax statue doing nothing on stage and his shtick is getting tired. What I do love is when he does those live collaborations for some cause or some special occasion.

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quote: Pravin Ratnam
in the last few years and his voice is totally shot
My cousin plays 4 nights a week, about once a month, he'll spend a day not talking to rest his voice. He won't answer the phone or talk to you if you drop by. I've stopped by his recording studio, and he just looks at me and points to his throat

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Chad Souder
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In the mid to late 90's, Prince cranked out a bunch of albums in a relatively short time to satisfy his contract. It was not his best work. Since, he's had some good and some bad. Much average. Its a matter of taste, but there is still some fantastic stuff in there if you have the patience. According to an unsupported statistic from a source I won't cite, Prince is the #1 selling artist of all time worldwide, so he must be the best!

I lost interest in The Boss long ago. Some of these guys get to thinking people care about their opinion and that they can change the world and they forget the only reason people gave them attention in the first place was because their music is good. Bono is another classic example. As a result, their music and their show suffers. They would be better off if they just shut up and focused on being an entertainer, not a wannabe politician.

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Todd McCracken
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AC/DC claimed a good portion of my hearing the first time I saw them. I don't regret it at all [Smile]

FIRE!

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