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Topic: do you tip pizza delivery guys?
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Chad Souder
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 962
From: Waterloo, IA, USA
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 08-13-2010 09:37 PM
Frank - I have to disagree here. I attempt to explain:
We, as customers, subsidize 100% of the workers salaries by buying their product or services. If a business pays their employees more, they just end up charging more for the product/service. So your scenario of paying a "decent living wage" would only result in higher prices anyway.
The reason for the fixed percent you refer to, rarely used since it is almost always reserved for larger parties (often 8 or more) is so the server doesn't get stiffed. If a group of 12 runs up a $800 restaurant/bar bill, and the server has had to dedicate his or her entire time to that one table instead of having their normal number of tables, and whoever pays decides $120 is a lot to tip, regardless of quality of service, the server gets screwed. And this automatic tip is so rarely used that its hardly an issue. Or do they add it for parties of 2 and 3 in New York?
Lastly, what is a "living wage?" Who gets to decide what that is? Minimum wage (the real perversion of the intent of our Founding Fathers, but that's another issue) certainly isn't a living wage, so why do we even have it? Why is a business obligated to pay a living wage? You have just as much ability to choose your job as the employer does to choose its employee.
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Chad Souder
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 962
From: Waterloo, IA, USA
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 08-14-2010 03:26 PM
quote: Chris Slycord
Except he wasn't complaining that the price was too high with tips.
Right. He was complaining that employers don't pay much because they know WE will subsidize their wage with automatic tips, going so far as to suggest they unionize in order to get higher wages. I then responded that automatic tips are rare, and if the employer paid higher wages, WE would pay more automatically, subsidizing their wage anyway, because ultimately all costs just get passed along to the customer. He was complaining about the automatic 15% added on and how it makes up for low wages by unethical owners, and my response was that a higher wage would automatically add to what the customers pays anyway, not decrease the profits of the cheap owners, except it would do it for parties of all sizes, not just large ones.
If you're going to play film-tech policeman, you should really try reading so you don't look silly. Or, just stay out of it, since you're offering nothing relevant to the conversation, just getting off on pointing out what you think is a mistake by me.
Also, if you're getting "talked down to" or "treated like an asshat" for giving a small tip, then just don't go to that place anymore. Or mention it to a manager if you really like the place, just not that employee. It's pretty simple. If you're feeling shame or guilt or anger after being talked down to, that's your own fault. I would feel just fine knowing I left a tip I thought was equal to the quality of service I received, regardless of the reaction of the employee.
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Chris Slycord
Film God
Posts: 2986
From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea
Registered: Mar 2007
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posted 08-14-2010 07:16 PM
quote: Chad Souder
If you're going to play film-tech policeman, you should really try reading so you don't look silly. Or, just stay out of it, since you're offering nothing relevant to the conversation, just getting off on pointing out what you think is a mistake by me.
1) Try being a little less smug once in a while. It might make people think you actually care about what they have to say.
2) When I saw you saying that you disagree with Frank, I assumed this also included the post where he was agreeing with the points I had made since you didn't specify otherwise. But clearly this is a sign of me being an idiot who can't understand what is/isn't relevant to a conversation and am just playing policeman.
quote: Chad Souder
If you're feeling shame or guilt or anger after being talked down to, that's your own fault. I would feel just fine knowing I left a tip I thought was equal to the quality of service I received, regardless of the reaction of the employee.
Why is it "my fault" to be annoyed with someone treating me poorly?
Also, I have no idea where you got the idea that I felt guilty for giving the tip. I said that they tried to guilt me into giving a higher tip. That doesn't mean I felt guilty.
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Jason Metcalfe
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 134
From: Austin, TX, U.S.
Registered: May 2010
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posted 08-14-2010 09:00 PM
There should be a law relating the number of posts and topic to the speed of thread degeneration into petty semantical arguments.
1) Waiters are assholes, I know because I used to work in a restaurant. They will bitch at anything and anyone, the size of your tip will do very little to change this fact.
2) The food service industry is a generally shitty place to work. I'm not sure how many posters in this thread worked their way up from theater floor staff but I remember my days of selling $7.00 popcorn and $4.00 water bottles to people who just paid $10.00 for a movie ticket. People turn into real assholes when it comes to their food, that's why I always tip well. It's rough to be a waiter/food handler and polite service with a modicum of civility should be appreciated financially.
3) The bottom line, however, is that tipping is completely voluntary, no matter how ingrained it has become in our culture. If you don't tip then don't expect to be treated particularly well on your way out of the restaurant, which is understandable as you have just thrown up the ultimate in service industry insults, but no one is holding a gun to your head either way.
quote: Chris Slycord
For instance, I once had a massage that was priced at $60 for the hour. When it was over, I left a $10 tip with the hostess. She started asking me if that was all but stopped herself mid-sentence. Personally, I consider 16.7% pretty generous but apparently it's not enough...
I bet you never got a good handjob there again.
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