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Topic: Is it the new thing for actresses to show off their tits?
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Jonathan Smith
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From: Youngstown, OH
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted 12-06-2010 12:21 PM
For some women now, it's a purchasable commodity, a status symbol like a Mercedes Benz or a Hummer. So that is why it's not considered dirty anymore. I think there have been entire episodes of those "Housewives" reality shows devoted to getting a "new pair of tits," If I hear the conversations three or four times flipping through channels in an hour, I can only imagine how they are corrupting women who watch them for a straight hour, then twitter about them.
As for female nudity, some of the stuff on here is laughable. First off, nudity isn't always about sex. Men have been sculpting, painting, and drawing naked women for probably ten thousand years. There are pictures of naked women scrawled in red paint on the walls of caves.
Even since Ancient Greece, the naked female form has been considered the pinnacle of human beauty.
Women in Paris in the 1600 used to bare one or both of them, in a royal court that I assume the Church Hierarchy would be present for.
So all this talk about how it is this recent modern corruption thing is pure horseshit. The fact is the United States more than others, is incompletely separated from the Victorian Yoke of the 1800s prudishness.
Go back even a hundred years earlier and sex was far more accepted, openly talked about.
What chaps my ass is when someone has the audacity to request that a fiine art nude photograph be taken down from an art show at a college (it was instead moved. . .to the back). Naked statues are covered up; students work censored in high schools.
Even in the Victorian Era these things would have been accepted.
But nudity in movies is nothing new. It's been in MODERN movies since the late '50s early '60s. It's been in movies since their beginnings up until the mid 20s. It's been used to titilate little boys and working men into visiting the nickelodeons since the beginning of this industry, just as skimpy outfits and risque subjects were used in stage plays and vaudeville before that.
In fact, stage plays had a big draw during censorship because plays DIDN"T sensor what movies did at the time. Just watch the theatrical version of "The Man Who Came to Dinner," and compare it to the Hollywood production. Even the word "ASS" didn't survive the censors in the '40s. They must have cut out three or four pages of the script!
So, to be blunt and answer the question: NO, it is not a new thing for actresses to show off their tits. Sex has been selling all aspects of entertainment since the beginning of time.
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 12-06-2010 03:37 PM
I laughed at a cut for TV version of John Carpenter's: The Thing. They changed "bullshit" into "bull stuff." One of George Carlin's best jokes on this topic was "shoot." You can't fool me! "Shoot" is "shit" with two Os!
quote: Greg Anderson
Another weak tactic enters the discussion. When did anyone here declare that sex is dirty?
I didn't say anyone here said it was dirty, but it is a fact many Americans do indeed characterize sex as being dirty and they're not joking about it. Some of the fellows here may poke fun at the issue of nudity in movies with coarse jokes, but it's pretty dismissive to suggest they're appreciating it just like they would "ordinary porn."
BTW, John was joking with Tom when he suggested Tom might be gay. Not that there's anything wrong with it!
I don't agree with Tom about that scene in From Dusk Til Dawn. It took me out of the movie a bit when Selma Hayek didn't take off her top like the other exotic dancers. She's a character who dances in a strip bar. Hello! When she kept her top in place it made me think of Hayek's acting contract rather than concentrate on the movie.
quote: Greg Anderson
I would modify the statement that "sex is a common, natural, normal part of life" by saying that it's a common, natural, normal part of a person's private life. And that's why, when it appears in the movies, a lot of people don't appreciate it.
The problem with this statement is that movies are made up largely of what goes in with the private lives of the characters being portrayed. The viewer is the voyeristic fly on the wall being witness to all sorts of things we don't see a lot of in our daily lives. All sorts of private activities are blown up on the big screen by movies. Even lots of scenes that don't involve any sex or violence. We're still being voyers to it all.
I agree sex is a private activity for real people. More than a few actors are not comfortable shooting simulated love scenes in the nude. Most male actors, except for maybe Harvey Keitel, are not willing to be full frontal nude on camera for obvious reasons. But that's part of a long list of things many actors aren't willing to do on screen out of concern for how it might affect their movie star persona.
Death is also a private matter. I don't want a bunch of cameras taping me take my last breaths. Yet we see fictional characters die all the time in movies and TV shows. The deaths of real people are sometimes shown in news programs. IMHO, those terrorists in Iraq made about the most offensive porn videos ever by sawing off the heads of bound, defenseless people while chanting "God is Great" for the camera. Military people I know say it was common to find people on the street corners of Baghdad selling DVDs of that stuff right alongside pirated DVDs of Hollywood movies. I can't imagine how terrible and violated the families of those murder victims must feel with snuff videos featuring their loved ones being traded on street corners.
Thankfully what goes in with Hollywood movies is mostly make believe and the actors are willing participants.
quote: Greg Anderson
Ironically, it's the porn industry which teaches us that "bad" people are having sex or that "naughty girls" take off their clothes. Hollywood often reinforces that same message.
It's more than just the porn industry and Hollywood doing that. The advertising industry, music industry and fashion industry twist sex around in the same manner. Going in the other direction different groups of people just try to block it out as much as possible as if it didn't exist. IMHO, neither side is dealing with the issue in an intelligent manner. That makes it more critical than ever for parents to have the courage to teach their teen aged kids properly about the subject, and not just the consequences of sex either.
quote: Mike Blakesley
What I find hilarious (and somewhat inexplicable) is that today, on TV, if someone uses the word 'asshole,' they will bleep the "hole" and leave "ass" intact. WTF?
I wonder why they bother bleeping any of it. It's very easy to fill in the bleeps and blanks. Kind of like Wheel of Fortune. We know what the character said even if we didn't hear entirely all of the phrase. It's not all that difficult to lip read either.
A long time ago Mad Magazine had a cartoon of a family sitting on the couch watching TV. The voice balloon above the TV set had some phrase with a word bleeped out of it. Every character on the couch, including the family dog sitting next to the couch, had thought balloons above their heads filling in the blank.
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