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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 01-15-2011 11:18 PM

Just for clarification of my postings...the first picture (with fiberglass in the walls) is indeed a picture of the IU Theatre booth and note it has honest to God port holes with double glass on the projection ports (yes, counter angled and coated on both sides).

The lower picture of the "70mm and nitrate 35mm 'rendering'" is NOT the IU booth in any shape way or form...even the projectors are different. It is the smallest booth I've done four projectors. The port glass is indeed a pain though it is not wall-to-wall...it is in three sections (one section for each pair of projectors and a section for the digital projector)...it is double glass. It went in over my strenuous objections and has been a source of image issues despite it being optically coated and opposite/angled. We are definitely getting multiple images due to it that result in a softer appearing focus. I totally HATE the large port design...it is done for incompetents that don't know where their images are going to be coming through. Having separate ports is a great form of light control (as well as sound, but mostly light). Even the separate view port (which I'm big on) keeps the projectionist from being blinded by the reflection from the projector.

-Steve

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Manny Knowles
"What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???"

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posted 01-15-2011 11:57 PM

quote: Frank Angel
Manny -- about LOA -- how was the color on that print? Was it a new(er) release?

Color appeared to be pretty good. Mag stripe covered all of the Rt track and half of the Lt track so I'm sure it would've sounded just GORGEOUS!

Acetate stock with ever-so-vague hint of V.S. so i'm guessing it's at least around 15 years old..?

...and, yes, it had the Fox sprocket holes.

BTW, "Lawrence" will be held-over. One more show on Tuesday. Already sold out!

Let me also add that IU holdings include over 80,000 reels of film - nearly all of it on 16mm - and they'd love to show those movies - so that's why they opted for 16mm instead of 70mm

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Mark Lensenmayer
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From: Upper Arlington, OH
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posted 01-16-2011 07:14 AM

Does Kinoton still make that 16/35/70 projector? There are two at the Wexner Center here, which is also a college installation. I would imagine they would be pretty expensive.

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Steve Guttag
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From: Annapolis, MD
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posted 01-16-2011 10:44 AM

Officially, Kinoton never made such a projector. Unofficially, they did and it was called the FP78. It was a DP75 and FP18 Frankensteined together...not unlike the FP28/38 (no E).

Since Kinoton no longer makes the FP18 in any shape or form (mechanical intermittent) and that was their only left-hand thread machine, there will not be an FP78E. At least not in the sense of having two separate mechanisms sharing a column.

If you think about it...the least sold projector in most any manufacturer's line up is the 35/70 (FP75E for Kinoton). The second least? The the 35/16 (FP38E). So to make a combination of 16/35/70, while I think it would actually sell in today's market for those that want to run archival material but don't have the space...I know I would have done the Library of Congress with such a beast) would be the "intersection" of the two least-sold machines. If a projector company were to construct such a thing...who many do you think they would sell? You can include even the best of years. How much would it have to cost to be profitable?

Then there is the actual engineering of the whole thing. The FP75E could not easily be adapted to a single path machine. The intermittent would need to use a much larger sprocket (the FP75E uses the traditional sized sprocket of 20-teeth for 70mm and 16-teeth for 35mm). It would need to increase to 30-teeth for 70mm, 24-teeth for 35mm. That is going to be some humdinger of sprocket in order to keep it light weight. In the quantities we are talking about it going to cost a VERY pretty penny too.

Then there are all of the dynamics of getting the three film paths to work (well). It would not be a simple undertaking.

Again, I think there is/was a market for such a projector since there are actually quite a few venues that have both FP38s and FP75s though normally it is two FP75s and one FP38. With DCinema needing a spot...keeping the width of the foot print down would be welcomed. Often tracking does not do what is needed either as there may still not be any space for all of the projectors to live and then there is the issue of connectivity and reliability.

One thing is for sure...replacement parts on such a special projector (particularly the intermittent sprocket) is going to be VERY pricey.

-Steve

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Richard Hamilton
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posted 01-16-2011 11:31 AM

Steve,
Mega had the bright idea of selling a 35/870 projector. We had to create it because a salesman sold the idea to a customer, and the higher ups said it could be done. I was stuck with making this thing work. Biggest pain in the ass. Then I had to go install 3 of them. 2 work, the 3rd is in China and they will never run 35 on it and they know it isn't set up to do so, it is the 2nd projector in a 3d 870 setup. The upcharge for 35 was in the tens of thousands, I suggested a separate 35 in the booths, plenty of room.

Sam made an analogue penthouse reader for us, then Clyde helped getting Peavey to design a unit that would delay the sound for a couple seconds.

The intermittent sprockets probably cost more than the projector. I think we had Lavezzi make a couple dozen of them

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Steve Guttag
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From: Annapolis, MD
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posted 01-16-2011 08:47 PM

Kinoton actually made a working 4/35, 5/70 and 8/70 in the MP75E. In fact, they still are on the current projector list. MP75E (pdf)

No need to have delays on the 35mm either as the film paths have been "thought out."

-Steve

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Sean McKinnon
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posted 01-17-2011 09:45 PM

At the SVA theatre in NY NY we had 2 DP75's in or main house along with a (im trying to remember) westinghouse 16mm machine (on a super lume-x) that was aquired from CBS. Unfortunately they did not finish the set-up for 70mm. No lenses for 70 and no sound rack capability.

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Scott Norwood
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posted 01-18-2011 09:41 AM

When do we see the full picture set of this place? [Smile]

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Manny Knowles
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posted 01-25-2011 08:36 AM

quote:
The IU Cinema is under consideration for THX sound system certification.

It's official - IU Cinema is THX certified. We ran the trailer last night.

Now we need a version in Black and White -- and a silent version.

Hmm.... I wonder if I could talk the live orchestra into doing a nice big deep-note glissando right before they play for METROPOLIS. Kind-of like what the orchestra does at the beginning of CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND. That would be fun.

quote: Scott Norwood
When do we see the full picture set of this place?

Scott, the installers are still doing a lot of finishing and the booth isn't ready for its closeup. I'll grab a few soon though. And I'll at least give Steve the option of posting the "full" set for the archives like he did for his other creations. If he doesn't mind, I have no problem doing it.

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 01-25-2011 09:51 AM

Manny,

I like the orchestra idea of doing the "deep note." That would be cool!

As to the pictures...if you check the warehouse...you will see that I have contributed very few collections. Before I post such pictures, I go through the task of actually obtaining permission for the right people. The biggest case in point was the AFI/Silver...those pictures spanned over many years and several cameras.

In the case of IU...I have precious few pictures (I've only been there twice)...and all of the pictures were via my (rather old now) phone. They were taken for mere documentation, not presentation and are not of "high quality"...hence the exposed wall picture posted above.

If I were to do a picture collection of this theatre, I would bring something better and do a proper photo-shoot (sort of how I wrapped up the AFI/Silver).

I think that you are much more suited to do that sort of thing. You have access to the theatre and also have the means to seek permission for public posting. Also, it is now your baby. Who better to make it look good?

-Steve

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