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Frank Angel
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Sorry, exploitation for profit of people who put themselves in harms way for our safety, to me, seems beyond dispicable. Like when you drink really sour milk and you can't get that bad taste out of your mouth for hours.

For a company that purports itself to laud the highest of American patriotic values to go and stoop this low....well, let's just say nicknaming them The Rodent House seems an undeserved disservice to members of that innocent phylum everywhere. And I bet the majority of the public would agree with me if only they knew about it. But I am sure this isn't something corporate is shouting chim-chimeny-chim-chim-charoo from the rooftops.

Much in the same vein, these people for quite awhile were putting a statement at the end of their films in the credit crawl that said "For purposes of Copyright, the country of origin of this work is the United Kingdom." So they are willing to claim they are not Americans just to get some kind of copyright gain by claiming the film originated in the UK, which of course is a lie on its face. But like Bobby says, they will push it as far as they think they can go with the a good deal of confidence that no one is going to challenge them. I bet even kindly ole Walt wouldn't have renounce his American citizenship just to get some obscure benefit in the way the UK copyright law is written.

Overheard at a cocktail party after a Disney premiere (can't recall the film): it was around the time the copyright was about to expire on FANTASIA -- at that time the law was 50 years. A group of people including a Disney exec were conversing in a group when someone mentioned that they were coming up to Public Domain status for FANTASIA. The exce paused and laughed a little and said, "You really don't imagine that Disney is ever going to allow FANTASIA go into Public Domain, do you?" Everyone laughed. And of course, so far, he is right. They have plied Congress with wine, women (hookers) and probably hustlers rather than song, to get the copyright laws changed over and over in their favor. Now they've got it to 100 years plus the life of the author! Whatever THAT means. What's the "life" of Disney Productions?

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Martin McCaffery
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I remember when the first Tron movie came out, Disney went around filing suit against any company with "Tron" in its name (I think FuseTron may have been one). Don't think they won any, but as Bobby says, they use the legal system as a poker game.

They can probably get away with Trademarking a unique logo for Seal Team 6, and then just use their deep pockets to club any "infringers" into submission.

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Chad Souder
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I'm not in any way defending Disney's decision to try to trademark the name. I always thought it was a pretty cool name and therefore decidedly anti-Disney. I was only trying to explain why and how they can and likely may get the name.

I know one requirement of trademarks is that they must be maintained through active use. Obviously the NAVY was no longer using it and was probably never using it for trade, so that doesn't apply.

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Martin McCaffery
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The government is not allowed to trademark or copyright anyway.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Chad Souder
they can and likely may get the name.
While I'm being a little bit pedantic here:

What does it mean to say that something will be likely to maybe happen?

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Martin McCaffery
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Here in the South that would be phrased "might could" [Wink]

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Frank Angel
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quote: Martin McCaffery
The government is not allowed to trademark or copyright anyway
Are you sure about that, Martin? All that promotional stuff they use in tv spots and posters like "An Army of One" and all their identifying emblems and insignias, surely no one can usurp those symbols. While they may not be trademarkable, but surely if someone tried to use, say, the FBI insignia, you can be sure very nasty things would happen to them.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Frank Angel
exploitation for profit of people who put themselves in harms way for our safety, to me, seems beyond dispicable.
So you must be against every non-documentary movie featuring the military ever made -- especially comedies, eh?

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Martin McCaffery
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Frank: Last I checked (and it has been awhile) yes.

There are laws against using government symbols for private purposes, but they are not trademarked or copyrighted. As far as I know, all the promotional stuff is technically public domain.

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Frank Angel
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quote: Mike Blakesley
So you must be against every non-documentary movie featuring the military ever made -- especially comedies, eh?

Yes....yes I am.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Martin McCaffery
There are laws against using government symbols for private purposes, but they are not trademarked or copyrighted. As far as I know, all the promotional stuff is technically public domain.
Each of the armed forces have a trademark and licensing office/program.

And at least the USAF's website for this specifies the Air Force's symbol as a registered trademark (I assume the other branches do the same; I just looked this one up).

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Martin McCaffery
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Chris: I stand corrected on the trademark. I knew the gov't was finicky about their symbols, but didn't know they were trademarked. Must see if this is a recent development.

Frank: you (and Disney) are going to love this;>
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118037559
quote:
Sony locks up Osama bin Laden pic
U.S. distrib rights for untitled project goes to Columbia Pictures
By JEFF SNEIDER
Columbia Pictures has acquired U.S. distribution rights to Kathryn Bigelow and Mark Boal's untitled film about the black ops mission that killed Osama bin Laden.
Bigelow and Boal have been developing the project since 2008, long before bin Laden was killed during a high-stakes raid on his compound in Pakistan earlier this month, a seismic event that the duo plan to incorporate into the film, as Variety first reported (Daily Variety, May 3).

Bigelow and Boal will produce along with Annapurna Pictures principal Megan Ellison, while Greg Shapiro will exec produce. Bigelow, Boal and Shapiro previously produced "The Hurt Locker" for Summit. That pic won seven Oscars, including best picture.

Production is scheduled to start later this summer, and the film is skedded to hit U.S. theaters in the fourth quarter of 2012. Pic will likely be one of Sony's major awards contenders, as the only other film the studio currently has dated for the last quarter of next year is "Bond 23."


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quote: Fox News
Well, that was quick: Mickey Mouse has waved the white flag and surrendered to the real SEAL Team 6.

Disney is withdrawing its applications to trademark the name of the elite Navy squad responsible for killing Usama bin Laden, the Navy said on Wednesday.

"The Navy is committed to fully protecting our trademark rights as it pertains to this matter and will continue to examine all our legal options," Navy spokeswoman Amanda Greenberg told FoxNews.com, adding that the military continues to broaden Navy's existing portfolio.

Disney did not return numerous requests for comment.

A spokesman for the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office also did not return calls and email requests for comment.

Earlier on Wednesday, FoxNews.com reported that U.S. Navy had countered Disney's trademark applications with filings of its own.

Two days after the not-so-secret-anymore elite unit took out bin Laden, Disney filed trademark applications expressing intent to use the name "SEAL Team 6" for purposes including: entertainment and education; video games, toys, Christmas ornaments, snow globes; clothing, hats, shoes.

Ten days later, on May 23, the Navy fought back with trademark applications of its own, the first for anything indicating membership in a military organization, the second for use in the category of clothing, footwear and headwear.

But a battle of the century never materialized, as just hours after FoxNews.com's original article was published, Mickey Mouse said G-O-O-D-B-Y-E to "SEAL Team 6."


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Frank Angel
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Guess the Rodent's publicity department realized it would be bad PR to look like you are the conglomerate looking to steal from the nation's heros and even willing to go up against them in court. Guess they started to hear the old cry of, "Is Nothing Sacred?" Next thing you know, they'll be trying to trademark the American Flag.

At least someone over at the Rodent House recognized really bad vibes when they saw it and backed off.

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Robert E. Allen
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Nothing Disney does, especially with their alternative labels, surprises me. I'm sure it's not the Disney Walt envisioned. He'd probably jerk his name off it if he could reach it from where he is. RIP Walt.

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