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Author Topic: Worst Digital Projection EVER! Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-18-2011 09:58 PM                     quote: Edward Havens Randy, I think there is a subtle difference between a $10 cell phone and a $50,000 projection system. Yes. The price. I'm not talking about how expensive something is or how it works. I'm talking about the way people treat technology. All forms of technology. When technology is new, it is novel. It is expensive. It is treated with a certain amount of reverence and even veneration. Once people become accustomed to it, they look upon it as mundane. Where, once, we treated cell phones as important tools for rich executives, we now treat them like toys and give them to our children to play with. They are disposable. They are chattel. Now, because digital theater technology is a new technology we treat it with reverence and guard it. In the future, we will regard it as unimportant and treat it like chattel. The same thing has happened with cars, televisions, cameras, computers and all manner of things. It is only a matter of time before theaters are regarded in the same way.  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 11-18-2011 10:06 PM                        I still treat Muscle Cars with great deal of reverence they are worthy. Especially Pro-Stock drag race cars (that don't have an F'dup frame with a slightly twisted body). :-)  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-18-2011 10:53 PM                     How did those cars get twisted frames and fucked up bodies? Because people wrecked them. Why do people wreck them? Because they don't care. Why don't people care? Because they aren't shiny new cars with GPS, cell phones and built-in DVD players.  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 11-19-2011 08:15 AM                        Randy no not wreck because you drove them from 0 to 145 miles per hour in a quarter mile. The rapid revolution of the drive train creates tork which is passed though to the frame. The frame becomes twisted slightly ever time you race eventually body parts don't match up. It is called racing happens to all racing cars! Believe me I loved the cars I drove at drags but your job was to win if you could and can't do that driving like a little old lady on the way to church. The reason you go in through window on most NASCAR's is the doors are wielded shut so you don't have to worry about the twist getting them in season. No need to worry it is built for one season and one season only.  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-19-2011 08:32 AM                        quote: Randy Stankey It is a very rare breed of manager who can operate a giant corporation without losing touch of the business's mission. I'd say that there are only a handful of people like that in the whole world. Businesses like AMC, Regal and Cinemark probably will never be able to attract that kind of talent. Some people show movies to make money. Others make money to show movies.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 11-19-2011 08:59 AM                        The number one reason for things to happen in a large operation is to make the stock holders happy. If that happens, bonuses flow to top management. All else is not relevant. I hope this explains the system sufficiently. Louis  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 11-19-2011 01:35 PM                        Randy, are you suggesting that a digital projection system is different than a film projection system in the way people will treat it when it's not a shinny new toy? Do you really think someone who is inclined to neglect a digital system when it becomes mundane would do any better with a film system?  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 11-19-2011 02:00 PM                     I don't think he's suggesting that at all. I think he's suggesting that the current wave of "digital is so much better because of no scratches, brainwraps, etc" will be short-lived because the shitty people will still be shitty.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-19-2011 03:11 PM                        I think it would be better if digital proponents would say that digital eliminates the POTENTIAL for scratches, dirt, brainwraps, etc. It's not like all that was a "given" with film. And, film fans should keep in mind that it's also not a "given" that digital presentations will get worse over time.  |  IP: Logged Ron Funderburg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 814 From: Chickasha, Oklahoma, USA Registered: Nov 2007 posted 11-19-2011 03:15 PM                        Like the classic muscle cars the condition of whatever you use is subject to how you use it. If you are bull in china closet with film it gets scratched if you are that with your digital equipment you will have trouble. The muscle cars that are perfect condition have been restored to that or taken care of by someone that really loves the vehicle. Well anyway I am in agreement with Mike on this!  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-20-2011 07:43 PM                        quote: Monte L Fullmer ?? ... wonder how? Can't scratch the print, or do anything to the file content. Sound, can't get fubared up.. Bulbs have to be changed right on at warranty hours, thus very little chance of flickering, if any.... et.al. Monty -- how, you ask? Just count the ways; the same way they mucked up this digital presentation -- management allowed the bulb to burn LONG past its rated life (just as they often did that with film) or the system was severly out of alignment yet management did nothing about it -- those digital tech service calls are expensive. Whether it's digital or film, either way management remains the common denominator for film winding up with such mediocre to down-right terrible shows and so it will be for digital as equipment ages and corners are cut. Remember, film never came with dirt and scratches on it -- it was management that didn't care enough to address what was happening in the booth to cause mediocre presentation. Sure, the equipement in the booth changes from film to digital, but MANAGEMENT REMAINS THE SAME. The same guys who let speakers play with blown voice coils when film projectors were in the booth, no reason to think they won't do the same just because there is a digital box in the booth. So yes, sound can certainly be fubared up with digital. IMHO, the outlook for really first-class theatrical presentation will slowly descend to about the same lack-luster level as it was when management was taking shortcuts that made film look bad; just give them time and they will be satisfied with the same "it's good enough" approach with digital.  |  IP: Logged Jake Spell Master Film Handler Posts: 294 From: Johns Island SC Registered: May 2009 posted 11-20-2011 08:51 PM                     Franks is right on the money here. Iv seen Digital installs where only techs could touch them, now the managers are allowed to do bulb changes, but they still have to wait untill it becomes a "presentation problem". So its up to the manager on site to get it done whenever they think it should be. What happens when its just got a bad install? Maybe the tech didnt care. Maybe the tech was some kid from best buy who had never SEEN a projector or booth before the install. Iv seen blatant probles like screen files being way off, and the "techs" excuse was that they were just too bust to get it right. And yes, in an idea world the sound would be properly calibrated, designed is such a way that speakers would never be pushed to the point of failure, and amps wouldnt go bad, but it still happens. People that didnt care about film will care even less about digital. Managers wont be bothered to go in the booth and the ushers wont even know there is a problem. Yes scratches and dirt on screen may be gone but they will be replaced with a whole new set of flaws.  |  IP: Logged

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