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Topic: Bombs Explodes At Boston Marathon Finish Line
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Leo Enticknap
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posted 04-21-2013 10:43 AM
Agreed totally: if you're in a country legally (and IMO not just if you're a citizen, but also if you're a legal visitor or non-citizen resident who has entered obeying all the rules), then if you're accused of a crime in that country, you should answer that charge through the normal criminal justice system. Jurors are not stupid (well, even if one of them is, there are eleven others to offset that), and there's a reason why they're the mainstay of the criminal (and in some circumstances, civil as well) justice system in many countries worldwide.
Very relieved to hear that this is over and that Boston is returning to normal without any further death or injury, and that hopefully the economic damage is also now more or less over, too. If what I've been reading on the newspaper sites gives an accurate impression, the surviving suspect had been filled up with poison by his manipulative older brother, who appears to have been the real bad guy. Given that Chechen nationalist terrorism has never taken place outside the former USSR before, I guess this caught everyone off guard, but that the response has to be the same as always: to send the message that blowing innocent people up, whoever is doing it and for whatever reason, is never going to work.
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Leo Enticknap
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posted 04-22-2013 02:06 AM
quote: Dennis Benjamin
I really think that the U.S. should take a lesson from Israel when it comes to handling terrorism. Handle them before innocent people get killed.
As a general rule I think that's what the security services try to do. As I speculated in my earlier post, Chechnyan terrorists have never (AFAIK) done anything outside the former Soviet bloc. In fact, the last incident I can think of was when they took a bunch of hostages in a Moscow theatre in 2002. So my guess would be that everyone has been concentrating on Al Queda, Bin Liner etc., with the result that these people managed to slip under the radar.
quote: Dennis Benjamin
With these Muslim extremists - it's only going to get worse as their religion grows. Islam is already the largest organized religion in the world. These two brothers were flies on a windshield compared to what's ahead.
I may be being naive, but suspect that we're probably going through the worst of it at the moment. The reason why Islamic terrorism has become such a major problem (primarily for the US, but also in much of Western Europe) is because a group of theocratic dictatorships in the Middle East suddenly found themselves with a cash windfall of bazillions when their oil industries got seriously underway in the '70s. The 9/11 bombers, the 7/7 bombers in London, the nutty preachers ranting away on wacko websites, the training camps in the Afghan mountains ... all are bankrolled from this source.
However, Middle East oil is now starting to dry up. Saudi production has almost certainly gone over the peak, and the extraction infrastructure in Iran and Iraq is so primitive that they are producing very little. At the same time, the west is starting to go hell for leather to develop alternative energy sources. In short, I suspect that within a couple of decades, these rogue regimes simply won't have the money to menace the rest of the world anymore.
Western Europe had a big problem with fascism over about a 25-year period in the early part of the last century. It eventually ended. Eastern Europe had a similar problem with communism, though admittedly that lasted a lot longer. Hopefully, the problem of Islamic theocratic imperialism has a finite lifespan, too. That doesn't mean to say that there aren't short-term dangers that need to be addressed (not least preventing a nuclear-armed Iran), but my hunch is that in 20 years' time the overall problem will be much diminished.
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Bobby Henderson
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posted 04-22-2013 08:53 AM
Diminishing oil reserves in the Mid-East and the rise of alternative and perhaps renewable energy sources would make a big dent in the economies of some countries who do sponsor terrorism. Not all countries dominated by Islam are in the Middle East.
The influence of Islam is growing in Africa and parts of Asia. IIRC Indonesia is now the world's most populous Islamic country. Muslims in Indonesia are more moderate; they don't take the more dogmatic, literal view of Islam common for many in the Middle East.
IMHO, technology is the biggest enemy of terrorists, particularly those who use Islam as a costume for their hatred and violence. Intelligence organizations like the CIA have smashed terror groups using various kinds of technological tools. The general public plays its part too. The more communication improves between all parts of the world the more people all over the world will see a more balanced view of things. Many terrorists, but not all, have poor educations, little income and little hope. They're easily indoctrinated by terrorist leaders.
I have a theory Islamic extremists are resorting to terrorism out of paranoia about the Western world and influence of Western culture. Our movies, music, points of view and more are infiltrating every part of the globe. Western culture isn't 100% positive, but it does send messages to women telling them they don't have to be treated like cattle the way they are in many cultures around the world. Western culture sends a message that anyone can achieve a good life if he educates himself well enough and works hard enough. Being illiterate and close minded the way some cleric orders has no future. These clerics don't like the idea of losing their power and influence to western culture. So they're lashing out with violence.
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Leo Enticknap
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posted 04-23-2013 04:41 AM
quote: Mike Blakesley
I think everyone would like to know just WHY the Boston guys did what they did.
+1. These kids had escaped from one of the most dangerous, unpleasant and impoverished countries in the world (even the name of the capital of Chechnya, Grozny, means 'terrible' or 'frightening' in Russian!) to one of the safest, aspirational and most affluent. Even if the older brother had basically failed to assimilate into American society, it seems that the younger one had done so, more or less successfully - on the surface, at least. Both were relatively well educated (as, also, were a significant proportion of the 9/11 and 7/7 perpetrators). They don't appear to fit the classic profile of a violent terrorist, at all. Just what brought them to do this is, I'd hope, pretty high on the list of questions that the investigators are trying to answer.
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