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Mitchell Dvoskin
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I know that as of around 5 years ago, 35mm wise, WB was still renting classic Looney Tunes in groups of 6, and they also had some early Popeye's (originally Paramount), and many Tom & Gerry's (originally MGM).

Sony/Columbia had 3 Stooges (live action) and some cartoons.
Universal had some Woody Woodpecker's available.

I assume with the demise of film, none are still available, at least not in 35mm.

Back in the mid 1980's, Disney destroyed all the release prints of all their cartoons. The still have the negatives, and every now and again they would re-print one for a special release, however, I don't believe that any were ever available for stand alone bookings.

As to audience reaction, for repertory shows, cartoons and short before the feature are a big hit. For current first run films I have found the audience is generally hostile. They want to see the feature, some trailers, and nothing more. It's a different mindset.

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Steve Matz
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Although I liked the old Familiar Cartoons we saw before the feature started. I really enjoyed the ones from the 40's that featured Major Movie Stars in Cartoon Form...A&C, WC Fields, Laurel and Hardy, etc. Even mimicking their voices pretty accurately.Since FIELDS was always talked about as being a heavy drinker. One Cartoon features him trying to fake like he was Drowning at a Frozen Pond just so he could get a Drink(probably brandy) off the Resue ST BERNARD carrying the KEG strapped to its neck. Those were hilarious Cartoons but I only saw them on TV during the 50's and early 60's.....

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Jarod Reddig
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During the summer in my boyhood town of Russell, KS at the Dream Theater, which btw is still going strong as it has went digital and all the workers are volunteers besides one gent who sets up the DCP, use to have wonderfull cartoons playing what seemed like all day long for only $1. Looney Tunes, Hanna Barbera, and even School House Rock. Man I miss those days. My love for movie theaters and cinema was spawned from those moments.

It was so refreshing seeing the Disney short before Frozen with Donald and Goofy friends. It was so cool how they would run in and out of the screen and when they spun the screen around you can see they animated speaker arrays behind it. One of my favorite shorts in years.

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Rick Raskin
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A theater I worked in the 1960s had a "house cartoon" that would be inserted at the start of the show if there was a huge crowd and the manager need the extra 7 minutes to get everyone seated.

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Martin McCaffery
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The Key Theatre in Georgetown would do the same thing with Bambi Meets Godzilla well into the 80's.

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Kenneth Wuepper
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The shortest cartoon I ever screned was "Crunch Bird". It was 60 seconds long and won an academy award.

There was a loud "burp" in the sound after the picture went blank. The operator needed to let that play before changing out of the reel.

A little crude but always got a laugh. I think it played with "Diamonds Are Forever", a James Bond film.

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Frank Cox
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This version is 2:19.
The Crunch Bird
This one is cut off before the burp.
I can see where you would have to be careful what movie you played it with.

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Manny Knowles
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Scrub Me Mama with a Boogie Beat

The Shanty Where Santy Claus Lives

Wow. Especially that first one.

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Claude S. Ayakawa
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I also agree with Mike and have no objections about cartoons featured before any kind of movies. How well I remember my childhood when my local theatre, the Waipahu started a performance first with the latest newsreel, followed by one or two short subjects and then a cartoon.. The last thing shown before the feature was a trailer and five or six slides advertising the Waipahu's movies for the coming week. Back in those days, a movie played at my theatre for a day or two. Big pictures were shown on weekends and one night was Japanese film night and another was Filipino movie night. The other nights were for grade B or C movies. Kids such as myself at the time paid only a dime on weekdays and a quarter on weekends.

BTW: I just posted a photo of the Waipahu Theatre and some comments about it on my a Facebook page today for those who are interested.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Manny Knowles
Wow. Especially that first one.
Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs

Arguably not quite as egregious as Scrub Me Mama..., which manages the rare feat of being both grossly, spectacularly offensive and lacking any artistic merit whatsoever; this one at least has Bob Clampett's trademark attention to detail. But still, politically correct it certainly ain't.

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Pravin Ratnam
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I like a lot of old entertainment. But I am over the whole cartoon before the movie nostalgia. If I had to sit through 5 min of cartoons on top of the main trailers and ads before a movie, I would lose patience. Leave it for the kids movies.

I am guy who is not against nostalgia and I have sat through my share of twilight zone marathons and TCM broadcasts of old movies. Still, as Mike said, I have watched more than my fair share of old school cartoons and at some point in my life, I just lost all interest in them. I just don't have the patience for them anymore because I have seen so many of them as a kid.

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Steve Matz
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Looney Tunes made "LITTLE BLACK SAMBO" in 1932. I'm not sure what year CASTLE FILMS was distributing it(probably late 40's)
The NAACP never went after the Book until the 60's so CASTLE had probably quit selling it by then.I Never really understood their philosophy about what was offensive having "AMOS & ANDY" taken off the air or a harmless Kids book that didn't make children racist. But they never Protested Films where there was DRUG USE.
Which was the more Harmful after all [puke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPZQyPcvTzw

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Bruce McGee
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Little Black Sambo is a UB IWERKS cartoon.

I think what bothered the NAACP was that the creator and writers of Amos N Andy were white. At least that is what I was told years ago.

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Jack Ondracek
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When we bought our drive-in, in 1986, one of the first things I did was bring in the cartoon before the opening trailers. That's how we ran at the place I grew up working for, and I thought people would think it a fun way to start the evening.

It surprised me, that my audience was fairly indifferent to them... not hostile, but certainly not enthusiastic.

At the time, the studios were charging $25 per week. 3 cartoons (one for each screen) ran me $75 a week, or roughly $300 or so per month.

As far back as '86, the Seattle NFS depot seemed to have a limited supply, as I started seeing the same titles come back within only a few weeks. Given the cost, print quality and selection, and customer apathy, I quit after one year. The elimination of cartoons from my shows was barely noticed.

The quality of those old acetate prints was generally aweful. My bet is the studios had NFS trash what was left, once a print became unplayable, and never replaced it.

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