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Author Topic: jailed for filming in cinema Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 08-27-2014 03:56 AM                        quote: Mike Blakesley Let's say there is an outdoor rock concert and I sneak over the fence and stand just outside the paid area and listen to the music, I'm stealing that ticket money from the performers because I'm experiencing the concert ... even if I never intended to buy a ticket in the first place, I'm not taking any tangible property, but I'm still getting what the ticket offered. A theater I used to work at was really close to an amphitheater. The projection booth had an exit door on either side of the theater with an area outside I could hang out and catch some fresh air. I could hear the concerts quite clearly. One night I hung out in that area on my break(s) like I always did and listened to Van Halen as they played. Now tell me I am a criminal and broke the law. Right now. Do it. Tell me. Piracy is not cool but as far as movie piracy goes, I'd consider it petty theft. Not something that really matters in the grand scheme of things and certainly not as big a deal as the studios make it out to be. Nobody will ever be changed with leaking the Expendables 3. Ever. Period. They may even know who did it. Any disciplinary actions will happen quietly if at all.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 08-27-2014 04:15 AM                        Joe, I think the distinction here is that you happened to be in a location outside the concert venue but within earshot. You did not have to do anything to hear the music besides open a door. And I'm sure there are people near most outdoor venues with a similar situation. But that is something different from hopping a fence. quote: Marcel Birgelen Also, I'm afraid you're reaching the wrong audience with this anyway. It's not like those pirates don't know what they're doing is wrong. Just to be clear, I'm not talking about the guy who sits in the theatre with a video camera, or the person who puts something up on a web site. I'm talking about the 13 year-old kid sitting in their bedroom watching the content. And if they are using one of the streaming sites, there is virtually no distinction between downloading and viewing.  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 08-27-2014 05:04 AM                     Technically, there is not even a real distinction between downloading and viewing. If you want to stream it, you actually need to download it to your computer. The difference is that with streaming, you don't need to wait until it has been fully downloaded. Also, the sites that do offer illegal copies of e.g. movies and music, either as download or as a stream, are the least likely to display copyright notices. Heck, even YouTube contained about 80% unlicensed content just a few years ago and still contains a very high percentage of unlicensed material. It's sometimes even close to impossible for advanced users to see the difference between a video that's properly licensed and one that isn't... So, if we stretch the example of Joe a bit further into the digital realm. If somebody sends you a link to a YouTube video, you click on it and you watch it. In the end, it turns out to be illegal or, let's say "improperly licensed". Does that make you a criminal? Does it make Joe a criminal? He probably also didn't know. I guess this remains a grey zone, where you cannot expect a layman to know all the nitty gritty details of copyright and how it applies to this video. So it's also hard to hold them accountable for it.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 08-27-2014 02:41 PM                        Basically my point to all of this is that no, it does not make me a criminal. That's a problem with the venue. They are criminals for letting the soundwaves escape their place of establishment and they should be fined and jailed. Also they should be raped inside the jail and put in the electric chair. Hopping a fence would be trespassing. But I'm betting those soundwaves are still getting outside of the fence just fine. If anything, the moron who videotaped and uploaded the movie should be fined and receive a sentence of no more than 14 days (if that). Also he should be banned from the theater. Hell he should be banned from the internet as well for providing a shit copy. If you're gonna do something, do it right! Does piracy hurt the industry? Only if someone is SELLING pirated copies. Otherwise probably not as much as you think it does. It really is a victimless crime.  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-27-2014 02:42 PM                     I think our Prisons are overcrowded enough as it is.There are a lot more people still walking the Streets(sex offenders,child molsters,violent offenders,etc.)that I would rather see taking up prison space than sending some guy to prison for theft of Service.I don't get to worried about a Movie Studio only making 40 million profit on a film than the 50 million they expected...  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-27-2014 03:25 PM                        Forget prison, that's too expensive. If they really want to punish people who do these kinds of crimes, ban them from owning a cellphone, computer or an iPod for a few years. And also flag their Facebook account (and make it undeletable) with a message that the person "has a very small dick" (male) or "is super fat" (female). In other words, get 'em where it really hurts.  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-28-2014 02:43 PM                     The Feds will send you to Prison. We had a guy back in the 80's that lived on the Crow Indian Resevation and was Turning on the old Big Satellite Dish's VIDEOCIPER I & II Scrambler Boards. He did this for a couple years and was even dumb enough to advertise in Video/Electronics trade magazines. One day 4 FBI Agents came into his business(he also did TV Repair) and proceeded to take everything electronic related on his work bench and storage areas and placed him under arrest. The problem here was the Feds not only took these descrambler boards but also components that were for Customers TV's that he was repairing.None of it was returned... Anyway to make a long story short because he had no prior record the Judge just fined him something like 500 dollars and no Jail Time. Well this guy didn't learn his lesson. After about a month he went right back to Turning on these Videochiper Boards and got busted again several weeks later. This time the Judge gave him 3 Years in Federal Prison. In the Federal System there is no Parole and you will do at least 85% of your time and usually the Full Sentence. If your going to do out right theft of Service don't be an idiot and advertise in Magazines. This Guy had to be a Moron to begin with but he assumed because he was on the Reservation he was immune from being Prosecuted...Guess Again!  |  IP: Logged

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