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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
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posted 03-13-2015 08:51 AM
I've heard the rationale for non-removable batteries as "protecting our customers" before. I call "bullshit" to that, especially with how thin and fragile a smart phone can be without some kind of protective case. There's all kinds of news stories about phones over-heating, catching fire and even exploding while in someone's pocket.
For example here is a news article about someone getting 2nd degree burns from a newly purchased iPhone 6.
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iPhone 6 catches fire in man's pocket
One man in Arizona says the iPhone 6 is literally the hottest phone on the market. He says his newly purchased phone caught fire while it was in his pocket.
Phillip Lechter says it even left his leg with second-degree burns.
"It's been a little over a week now, so I've had the opportunity to get some good medicine on it," said Lechter, who is still nursing the burn.
"It wasn't like a puff of smoke, I could actually feel my leg burning and I couldn't figure out what it was," he said.
Lechter was in Tucson for the University of Arizona football game October 11th. He says he was riding in a rickshaw with his family when it hit something and started to tip over. His iPhone was in his front pocket.
"As the rickshaw tipped, I stepped out like this, and it drove the Apple phone into the bar of the rickshaw... luckily we weren't injured at all, it was just one of those weird sensations like a rollercoaster ride until I realized my pants were on fire" said Lechter.
Lechter says the phone burned through his jeans and his boxers.
"So these were the pants I was wearing... the part had the most heat was the glass, and that was up against my leg," he said.
Lechter described seeing flames from his phone.
"The flames were coming out of the pocket the smoke was coming out of here... it did burn me as I pulled it out," said Lechter.
He took photos of the iPhone shortly after the incident.
"It's a lithium battery, it's a situation through the bending of the phone, it popped the lithium battery which caused the burning," he said.
Lechter was able to get the phone out of his pants, and he threw it to the side. Someone walking by happened to get video of a cup of ice being thrown on the phone.
Lecther says he took the iPhone to the Apple store in Scottsdale the next day.
"They were pretty shocked; they'd never seen something like that before," said Lecther.
Apple replaced the phone, but Lechter wants the company to address what he says happened to him.
"If a child or teenager was riding their bike, had their phone on them, they fell and hurt themselves and couldn't get the phone out of their pocket, what kind of situation are we in there now... they need to make sure they protect the public. Because I always used the case to protect the phone, I didn't know I needed a case to protect myself" he said.
When reading stories like that it makes me think about people like my niece. She went through a phase of breaking 3 different iPhones because she insisted on putting them in her pocket and forgetting about it when sitting. She's lucky she didn't literally roast her butt doing that.
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Mark Ogden
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posted 03-13-2015 01:42 PM
You're right on #2, but as far as #1 goes, the consensus of our members doesn't mean a great deal. Keep in mind that people a lot more savvy about these things than we have made utter fools of themselves trying to second guess Apple. In 2001 a financial analyst named David Goldstien predicted that Apple retail stores would be a cataclysmic failure, saying in part: "I give them two years before they're turning out the lights on a very painful and expensive mistake". In 2012, another "expert", John Dvorak, predicted that the iPhone would be passe within three months. "Cover your eyes, you're not going to like what you'll see" he said. I hardly need tell anyone what was borne out of both.
I myself didn't see the point of the iPad when it was announced, and I said as much somewhere in this very forum, predicting that I wouldn't buy one. But after a while, after handling one and seeing the sense and utility of it, I broke down and bought a Mini. It's my constant companion now, and the last ten or so books I've read were bought from either the iBooks or Kindle for IOS app.
We here might not see the point of some of these gadgets, but others do. I won't buy an iWatch because I can't stand wearing a watch in general. My neice, on the other hand, is beside herself anticipating this thing. She runs, does cardio, texts and all the other things this is designed for. There's no point in my (or anybody) trying to tell her that the iWatch is foolish, because I (and we) are not the intended market and likely wouldn't get much use out of it anyway.
EDIT: In the 45 min. since I made this post, I've had to pull my iPhone off my belt eight times to answer texts. Maybe I will buy the damn watch.
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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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posted 03-13-2015 05:03 PM
quote: Mark Ogden
She runs, does cardio, texts and all the other things this is designed for.
So what happens when she goes for a run, she has to take the phone with her for the watch to work.
quote: Mark Ogden
You're right on #2, but as far as #1 goes, the consensus of our members doesn't mean a great deal. Keep in mind that people a lot more savvy about these things than we have made utter fools of themselves trying to second guess Apple. In 2001 a financial analyst named David Goldstien predicted that Apple retail stores would be a cataclysmic failure, saying in part: "I give them two years before they're turning out the lights on a very painful and expensive mistake". In 2012, another "expert", John Dvorak, predicted that the iPhone would be passe within three months. "Cover your eyes, you're not going to like what you'll see" he said. I hardly need tell anyone what was borne out of both.
Apple is very successful because of the iPhone first and foremost, without the iPhone where would they be? Also, Apple stores generally have the product in the largest stock quantities on open day for a release than local stores,
How successful would the stores be with the iPhone?
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Sam Graham
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posted 03-14-2015 03:14 PM
quote: Mike Blakesley
I remember when I started a thread when the iPad was first announced asking if people were going to get one. Almost everyone said no, it is stupid, etc etc but now almost everyone swears by their iPad (or similar tablet device). So who knows? Five years from now we could all be sporting iWatch 4.0's.
Exactly right. You're all making assumptions about a product you and the world haven't actually played with yet.
I bought my first gen iPad because I thought it would be nice to have something I could instantly access the web on near my TV for when links popped up I wanted to check out. But once I had the thing, it COMPLETELY TOOK OVER MY LIFE. It could do SO much. And its potential wasn't even fully realized.
Such is the case with Apple Watch. As it grows, developers will find new things for it to do nobody had thought of previously.
Having said that, I'm not getting one, but I'm interested in seeing how many people want to go back to wearing watches. Years ago, Mitsubishi came out with a line of cell phones. The base model didn't have a clock on it. I didn't think it would be a big deal, but nearly every one my company sold was returned for that very reason...the lack of clock. That many people had quit wearing watches in favor of using their phone for that. And this was 10-15 years ago, prior to the smart phone era.
As for the new MacBook, this is not designed to be anyone's primary computer (unless you're a really basic user). This is designed to be the portable compliment to your main desktop, convenient and powerful enough for travel needs. Web browsing, e-mail, number crunching, no problem. Even video playing. Sync it all to your main device in the cloud. (I'm not one to advent STORING stuff in the cloud, but I don't mind transferring that way.)
I also disagree with Bobby's assessment on the single USB-C. I bought a mouse for my MacBook. It was used twice. The glass trackpad was FAR superior. And the new ForceTouch trackpad looks to have a lot of new versatility to it. Aside from charging my MacBook or syncing my devices, I never have anything plugged into it.
So the new MacBook will indeed probably replace my existing one when it comes time. I'm hoping for a 14" version by then.
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Bobby Henderson
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posted 03-14-2015 11:30 PM
quote: Mark Ogden
Keep in mind that people a lot more savvy about these things than we have made utter fools of themselves trying to second guess Apple.
I don't think many people here are trying to second guess Apple. Those of us, like me, who are making negative comments are just saying what we don't like about the iWatch and new MacBook (or even Apple's HBO Now deal for Apple TV and iOS devices).
Most of us are in agreement that people will be lining up like crazy to buy the iWatch regardless of the complaints.
But here is an important "however" statement: the iWatch may be one of the first Apple branded devices to have little if any of Steve Jobs' input on its design and marketing strategy. Tim Cook and other people on his team are going to be increasingly tested. How far will the "halo" of the Apple brand extend to its products into the future?
If there's one area where I will second guess Apple it's in the "core" market that earned Apple its prestige in the first place: making computers and software for creative professionals. Apple has slipped badly in this area. Apple is literally allowing Adobe to turn into a monopoly. I'm pretty worried about that because I'm stuck having to rent Adobe software now. If Adobe doesn't have any proper rivals to keep it honest there is nothing to stop the company from cranking up Creative Cloud subscription rates from $49.99 per month to something like $89.99 per month or $200 per month or whatever they want to charge.
quote: Sam Graham
I also disagree with Bobby's assessment on the single USB-C. I bought a mouse for my MacBook. It was used twice. The glass trackpad was FAR superior. And the new ForceTouch trackpad looks to have a lot of new versatility to it. Aside from charging my MacBook or syncing my devices, I never have anything plugged into it.
Track pads suck when used with graphics programs or other complicated creative software applications. I must at least use a mouse, if not a Wacom graphics tablet, when using my graphics programs. Trying to use a track pad and apply keyboard short cuts at the same time doesn't work very well.
In addition to having a mouse connected I usually have some kind of external hard disc drive around, either for storing files or serving as a 2nd physical "scratch" disc (something that is do-able via a USB 3.0 or eSATA connection, both of which my notebook has).
quote: Mike Blakesley
I'm sure you're right, but the one thing about the Watch that makes it different from every other iProduct is, you have to WEAR it on your arm.
If you're working out at the gym, outdoors jogging or doing some other physical activity you have to have both the iWatch and the iPhone strapped to your arm for the iWatch to work properly. That's just utterly ridiculous.
I might find the iWatch more intriguing if it worked all by itself.
The fact the iWatch is dependent upon an iPhone paired to it makes me wonder how much it can really do on its own. Can it connect to WiFi or 4G by itself or does the iPhone do that for the iWatch? Can you plug headphones into the iWatch or is the iWatch little more than a music remote control for the songs on your iPhone? Does the iWatch have its own built in Dick Tracy camera? The more I look into this product the more questions (and doubts) I have about it.
quote: Mike Blakesley
I go back to my original point that women (and a lot of men too) won't want to wear that big ugly thing due to its looks.
The iWatch does have 42mm and 38mm versions, presumably mens and womens sizes.
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Terry Lynn-Stevens
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posted 03-15-2015 12:42 AM
quote: Mike Blakesley
vanity is a big thing with a lot of people and Apple really needs all their fans + a big chunk of the "Joe Citizen" types to buy into this thing to make it work in the long term.
I don't think it needs all of their fans and a big chunk, I think it needs about 15% of the current iPhone users to buy the watch. From my understanding, the iPhone will push everything to the watch, you will set up the watch and add apps from the watch app on the iPhone, from there the data such as emails, text, and phone calls all happen on the phone and they get pushed to the watch.
Based on the new screen sizes, I highly doubt the next iPhone will do the sales of the current phone. The new watch has one of the best margins on all of their products. The watch, Apple Pay, and the new lap tops will make up from some of the inevitable decline in iPhone sales for the next few releases.
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