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Martin McCaffery
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Netflix CEO Reed Hastings: Movie Theaters Haven’t Innovated Beyond Popcorn
Senior Silicon Valley Correspondent
Janko Roettgers
Senior Silicon Valley Correspondent

MARCH 17, 2017 | 10:41AM PT
Asked about his company’s relationship with major theater chains, Netflix CEO Reed Hastings didn’t pull any punches on Thursday. “How did distribution innovate in the movie business in the last 30 years? Well, the popcorn tastes better, but that’s about it,” he quipped.

Hastings made these remarks during a Q&A session with reporters at the company’s headquarters in Los Gatos, Calif., where he suggested that new distribution models could do for movies what cable networks and online services have done for TV shows.

“What Netflix wants to do is to unleash film,” he said. “It’s fundamentally about growing the movie business.”

Netflix has come under fire from major theater chains as well as organizations like the National Association of Theatre Owners for not sticking to the traditional release window model, which lets movies debut in theaters months before they transition to home video.

On Thursday, Hastings pushed back against the notion that the company aims to bypass theaters. “We are not anti-theater,” he said. “We just want things to come out at the same time.”

Shunned by major theater chains, Netflix last fall struck a deal with iPic Entertainment, a small chain with 15 theaters. Under that deal, iPic will show 10 Netflix movies day-and-date with their online releases. This won’t give Netflix movies a huge theater audience, but the deal does allow the company to qualify its titles for the Academy Awards.

Hastings also used the Q&A to comment on a wide range of other issues, including net neutrality. He didn’t seem too concerned about policy changes in this area, despite the new administration’s intent to repeal rules that require internet service providers to treat Netflix’s traffic equal to that of other streaming services. “The culture around net neutrality is very strong,” Hastings said, arguing that consumers would still expect equal access.

Asked once again why Netflix doesn’t release any ratings for its shows, Hastings joked that withholding data would give his company “mystery and intrigue.” He added: “We haven’t released ratings in 10 years, and it hasn’t held us back.”


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Mike Blakesley
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I hate it when people who are not in our business think they know all about it.

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“We just want things to come out at the same time.”
He forgot to add "on Netflix" to that sentence. If movies came out in theaters, cable, Netflix, Hulu, HBO Now, Amazon Prime, iTunes, and all the rest, he would be less excited about the idea. He can't understand why the theaters want exclusivity when he wants it himself.

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Reed Hastings is only pushing this day and date bullshit to keep the gravy train rolling on Netflix stock prices (currently trading at an all time high of 145.11 per share as of March 17). He is only looking at the movie business through the very narrow prism of his streaming business interests.

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“What Netflix wants to do is to unleash film,” he said. “It’s fundamentally about growing the movie business.”
In my opinion, I think the streaming services have largely hit their peak. I think the streaming industry is due for some kind of shake-up. Adding Hollywood movies, day and date released, into the Netflix lineup or playlists of rival streaming services probably won't grow anything. It certainly will not put more money into the pockets of movie studios and will only steal greatly from the theater business. Considering how badly home video sales of movies have been doing in recent years I would think the movie studios would try to do more to grow the theatrical side of the movie business.

Here's the main reason why this "golden age of TV" has peaked: there's already too much stuff to watch on TV. I don't have nearly enough free time to watch even 10% of the TV series and movies Netflix puts on its service. Every time I turn around there's yet some new series with 10-14 episodes per season to watch. It's a chore just keeping up with all the Marvel stuff. "Iron Fist? I just finally got finished with Luke Cage! There's a series called The Defenders coming out this Summer? What the fuck!?" There are only so many hours in the day people can spend watching TV.

Movies aren't going to do any better on streaming services, even if they're released day and date. There might be some initial curiosity and excitement from the public. But that will decline back into the ho-hum attitude present now. As it stands a lot of Hollywood movies get lost in the clutter of the app interfaces of these streaming services. As movie theaters die off almost entirely in a day and date release model, viewer interest in those "movies" would decline even further since they would only be 2 hour TV shows then.

Netflix' user interface sucks. It's a pain in the ass to discover interesting movies there unless you already have your mind made up on a specific movie title and know it's available to watch. You can't find a full list of everything that's on Netflix, much less know when it was added and when it will be pulled. There are so many TV series and other TV shows, stand up comedy specials, etc. that they literally bury a lot of movie titles. I can't say the user interfaces of Amazon Prime and Hulu are any better.

Cable/satellite TV is horribly over-priced, so all the cord-cutting is going to continue. It may accelerate as certain cable TV series like Game of Thrones draw to an end over the next couple years. The much lower priced streaming services will continue to be an attractive alternative, especially with residential Internet speeds in many areas now improving to speeds fast enough to stream 1080p HD on a fairly reliable basis.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the stock prices of Netflix and Amazon come down from current all-time high trends. People have been saying Netflix has been over-valued for years. A correction will happen eventually. Will Reed Hastings be banging the drum even harder for day and date movie releases? Will he increase subscription prices? Will Hollywood studios increase their fees to Netflix, Amazon, etc.? I would mention Hulu in this, but all of its stock is privately held.

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What I don't understand is why the theater big shots aren't screaming "Netflix wants to strangle the theater business" instead of trying to figure out ways to jump in bed with them.

I think it's because the theatre execs don't want to admit that day and date would kill their (and our) business model.

I still suspect, though, that once the theaters are out of the way, studios will be more than happy to stop producing $200 million "blockbusters" and switch over to producing 30 minute TV epidsodes, which are much cheaper to make and just as easy to sell to Netflix and their ilk. The major loss will be an artistic one... the two hour movie will be a lost art form, the same way the 40 minute record album is headed.

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quote: Mike Blakesley
What I don't understand is why the theater big shots aren't screaming "Netflix wants to strangle the theater business" instead of trying to figure out ways to jump in bed with them.

I think it's because the theatre execs don't want to admit that day and date would kill their (and our) business model.

They may truly be so naive that they haven't even considered the implications. As has been mentioned now, most of these big-wigs were plucked from outside of the industry and thus, they don't have a very deep understanding of why things are the way they are, nor are they very passionate about the industry.

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I think Netflix is already trying wean people off of the two-hour movie; just look at what they feature on their streaming service. It's bloated with TV shows and bad standup comedy, and like Bobby said it's impossible to see a "list" of what they have, or to search out a movie you actually want to watch.

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We don't have much problem finding stuff on Netflix. They recommend stuff based on what we've watched, and the recommendations are normally pretty good. We will often hear about a movie we want to see and find the search engine on Netflix works well.

But, it's always preferable to see a movie in a theater! We spent the afternoon and evening at the EFPALOOZA Film Festival at the Bug Theater in Denver. Not everything was great, but several of the films were.

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I understand entities like Netflix asking the question, but have always been curious to know why Exhibition hasn't gone ahead and produced any content of its own, even as a kind of "warning shot" across the bow of the traditional studios. It's not like there's anything proprietary about buying a story, hiring a director and some actors and shooting it.

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Well, in the US you run into the Paramount consent decree, which prohibits vertical integration. I doubt it would be enforced these days, and actually there have been erosions. Disney owns at least a few theaters. Regal and AMC own Open Road Films. There are other small distribs that own theaters, and may even dabble in art films (the Biograph and Key in DC many, many years ago, were big financial backers of John Waters; and KB made at least one blaxploitation film). God knows porn theaters invested in porn movies back in the day.
Basically, mass producing films is a huge capital investment. Any movie chain with that kind of capital is busy buying up other movie chains. Financial a handful of indie films a year may be within AMC/Regal's budget, but even they won't be able to load up a multiplex.
I'm sure the day will come when some studio will buy a big chain or vice-versa, but it will take a lot of blood letting to get it through, and still won't provide any security for other exhibitors.

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quote: Martin McCaffery
Well, in the US you run into the Paramount consent decree, which prohibits vertical integration.
But weren't those modified (eliminated?) during the 80's? Paramount and WB co-owned Cinemerica Theatres (mostly Mann Theatres) and Sony Pictures owned Sony Theaters (Cineplex and Loews) before the marketplace had been proven to change against such an arrangement. Of course, the market has changed again, so...

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Isn't Showcase the parent company of Paramount/Viacom?

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^ National Amusements is the parent company, so to speak, of both Showcase Cinemas and Viacom, which in turn owns Paramount. It's the company owned by the Redstone family, who are controlling shareholders, but Showcase and Viacom are separate corporate entities.

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quote: Paul Linfesty
But weren't those modified (eliminated?) during the 80's?
I think "ignored" is the appropriate description.
I vaguely remember some entity arguing that the Paramount decree did not apply to them because they did not exist in 1948 and therefore were not covered by the decree. Don't remember how it turned out.

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NATO just came out with their video windows analysis, which covers releases from 2012 thru 2016. While it's impossible to summarize all the details on one post here, one fact stood out to me like a beacon:

The studio with the longest windows consistently: Disney. In fact, while their average window is shorter this year than it was last year, Disney's window today is still averaging 4% LONGER than it did in 2012. Their average window is just under four months.

And: The studio with the highest grosses: Disney.

That right there should tell the studios something. None of Disney's films had a window under 90 days, streaming or physical.

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I think Disney has probably put more thought into these windows than anyone. They're the ones who've figured out how to open and close them (putting video "back in the vault", and "re-releasing" decades-old content). I have almost zero issues with Disney, their films do very well with us. Occasionally they seem to want 3 week runs, which is tough for our "still single" drive-in to commit to. Once our 2nd screen is up, no worries.

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