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Martin Brooks
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This is no different that theaters who have morning screenings exclusive to parent(s) with young babies or theaters who exclude kids from R-rated movies after X PM, even with guardians.

People who are complaining about this or think it's somehow discriminatory have too much time on their hands and need to get a life. They're the same people who took great offense that the recent Ghostbusters reboot had female leads.

I hope the females attending the screening in Brooklyn beat the crap out of the obnoxious guy who bought the ticket and intends to show up.

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Bobby Henderson
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There's more comedy going on with this women-only Wonder Woman screening. A fellow proud to be a male chauvinist pig wrote the City of Austin Mayor, Steve Adler a letter to complain about this screening. His letter contained a lot of sexist, arrogant comments (not to mention exposing a good bit of stupidity). He told the Mayor not to bother responding, but Mayor Adler did and I think his response was great.

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quote: City of Austin Mayor Blog
LETTER: WONDER WOMAN
On May 26, 2017, the Mayor received this email:

I hope every man will boycott Austin and do what he can to diminish Austin and to cause damage to the city’s image. The theater that pandered to the sexism typical of women will, I hope, regret it’s decision. The notion of a woman hero is a fine example of women’s eagerness to accept the appearance of achievement without actual achievement. Women learn from an early age to value make-up, that it’s OK to pretend that you are greater than you actually are. Women pretend they do not know that only men serve in combat because they are content to have an easier ride. Women gladly accept gold medals at the Olympics for coming in 10th and competing only against the second class of athletes. Name something invented by a woman! Achievements by the second rate gender pale in comparison to virtually everything great in human history was accomplished by men, not women. If Austin does not host a men only counter event, I will never visit Austin and will welcome it’s deteriorati on. And I will not forget that Austin is best known for Charles Whitman. Does Austin stand for gender equality or for kissing up to women? Don’t bother to respond. I already know the answer. I do not hate women. I hate their rampant hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of the “women’s movement.” Women do not want gender equality; they want more for women. Don’t bother to respond because I am sure your cowardice will generate nothing worth reading.

Richard A. Ameduri

Today he responded:

Dear Mr. Ameduri,

I am writing to alert you that your email account has been hacked by an unfortunate and unusually hostile individual. Please remedy your account’s security right away, lest this person’s uninformed and sexist rantings give you a bad name. After all, we men have to look out for each other!

Can you imagine if someone thought that you didn’t know women could serve in our combat units now without exclusion? What if someone thought you didn’t know that women invented medical syringes, life rafts, fire escapes, central and solar heating, a war-time communications system for radio-controlling torpedoes that laid the technological foundations for everything from Wi-Fi to GPS, and beer? And I hesitate to imagine how embarrassed you’d be if someone thought you were upset that a private business was realizing a business opportunity by reserving one screening this weekend for women to see a superhero movie.

You and I are serious men of substance with little time for the delicate sensitivities displayed by the pitiful creature who maligned your good name and sterling character by writing that abysmal email. I trust the news that your email account has been hacked does not cause you undue alarm and wish you well in securing your account. And in the future, should your travels take you to Austin, please know that everyone is welcome here, even people like those who wrote that email whose views are an embarrassment to modernity, decency, and common sense.

Yours sincerely,

Steve Adler


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Mike Blakesley
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I don't think this is any different than a theater offering a "kiddie matinee." It's a special show aimed at a certain segment of the audience, so who cares?

Now, if a guy WANTS to show up there, I'd recommend that they just let him in, and let the audience do what it wants with him. Since the place IS open to the public, it's possible they can't legally exclude him. Who knows, it could be a guy who "identifies as a woman."

More likely, the guy in the news article is probably just secretly looking to pick up chicks. The outcome will completely depend on what kind of attitude he goes in with -- the audience will either totally embrace him and he'll have a blast, OR they'll all collectively dump soft drinks on him. Personally, whatever happens, I hope there is video.

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Many years ago, there was a Car Wash near my home that had a ladies day promotion each week, where women were charged half price. I was off work that day, and took my car for a wash. I questioned whether their policy was legal, and I was rudely told that it was their business and they will do what they want.

Having nothing better to do, I decided to find out. I called the state of NJ EEOC, and was told that no, charging women less as a promotion is illegal unless there was also a timely comparable promotion for men. I filed a complaint with the state. It cost me nothing, and as I was not looking for any monetary damages, my involvement was over. About a month later, the state EEOC informed me that the car wash was discontinuing the promotion.

A few weeks later, I went thru the car was again, and indeed the promotion was changed, so that anyone, regardless of sex, who was wearing a skirt would be half price. Nice try. I called my contact from the state, and eventually the state ended up suing the car wash for sex discrimination to end the practice. The state won.

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Bobby Henderson
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So what's next? Going to night clubs and outlawing "ladies night" pricing for drinks? A couple of my friends run bars. Knowing those folks any man pushing that issue might get the "ladies night" thing legally banned, but that man would get himself permanently banned from the property. I've personally heard some young punks bitch about ladies night policies at bars. But those idiots clearly don't understand the purpose of that policy (getting more ladies to come to the club is GREAT for business).

These men complaining about a women's-only Wonder Woman screening need to get the giant stick out of their asses and develop some sense of humor.

Maybe its just me, but it could seem slightly strange for any grown man to show up to a Wonder Woman screening by himself. And it would be really weird for a man to attend a Wonder Woman meant only for women by himself. But such block-headed jerks probably don't have wives or girlfriends because they obviously don't understand that ladies need and deserve some ladies-only activities. Men still own and control just about all the freaking world. So it's not going to be a calamity for women to have their own thing once in awhile.

quote: Mike Blakesley
Now, if a guy WANTS to show up there, I'd recommend that they just let him in, and let the audience do what it wants with him. Since the place IS open to the public, it's possible they can't legally exclude him. Who knows, it could be a guy who "identifies as a woman."
I thought the news article said Alamo Drafthouse would admit someone who was trans to the screening (men identifying as female).

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Lyle Romer
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quote: Martin Brooks
People who are complaining about this or think it's somehow discriminatory have too much time on their hands and need to get a life.
While this is 100% true, if some theatre had a "men only" screening of some "guy movie", there would be people that go nuts. There would be all kinds of protests and it would be all over national news.

We'd all be much happier people if everybody would stop wasting time objecting to stupid crap like this and protesting by attending as a male. Geez people. There are very few truly important issues and an all female audience for a showing of Wonder Woman doesn't even come in number 15 billion on the list.

The only type of movie I'd want to attend as the only guy in a room full of women (when I was single) would be a romantic movie so that after they get emotionally caught up in it, I'd be there to take over after the credits roll.

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Buck Wilson
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quote: Mitchell Dvoskin
Many years ago, there was a Car Wash near my home that had a ladies day promotion each week, where women were charged half price. I was off work that day, and took my car for a wash. I questioned whether their policy was legal, and I was rudely told that it was their business and they will do what they want.

Having nothing better to do, I decided to find out. I called the state of NJ EEOC, and was told that no, charging women less as a promotion is illegal unless there was also a timely comparable promotion for men. I filed a complaint with the state. It cost me nothing, and as I was not looking for any monetary damages, my involvement was over. About a month later, the state EEOC informed me that the car wash was discontinuing the promotion.

A few weeks later, I went thru the car was again, and indeed the promotion was changed, so that anyone, regardless of sex, who was wearing a skirt would be half price. Nice try. I called my contact from the state, and eventually the state ended up suing the car wash for sex discrimination to end the practice. The state won.

I'm glad that business got sued and is likely out untold thousands of dollars due to your minor inconvenience.

Perhaps I'll file a similar complaint on the local movie theater for providing discounts to members of the military and the elderly.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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> Perhaps I'll file a similar complaint on the local movie theater for providing discounts to members of the military and the elderly.

Your comparing apples and oranges. Most people have had the opportunity to join the military some point in their lives, and most of us will eventually become elderly. This is just part of the natural progression of life. Giving a discount to those people is not discrimination. Being charged more for a car wash based upon ones sex certainly is.

The car wash got sued, not because of my minor inconvenience, nor even the fact that they were rude about it. They got sued because they refused to comply with the law when the state contacted them. They had a chance to comply, they chose not to. As I was not looking for any damages, I was not involved with the state's lawsuit.

Bobby, Ladies Nights drink pricing was the specific example the state gave me. They are technically illegal, but here in NJ the EEOC allows them if there is a comparable promotion for men. Personally, I can't imagine anyone complaining about Ladies Nights as it brings more women into the club, but I could well understand a gay man being upset by such a pricing, as more women would do nothing special for him.

Around the same time period, a local movie theatre had a date night promotion on Monday nights, where if a guy bought an adult ticket, the second ticket for an adult girl was free. Somebody, not me this time, complained to the state. The manager was a friend of mine who told me that when the state contacted them, they just changed the Monday night promotion to a buy one ticket, get one free regardless of the sex of the customers. Everyone was happy, nobody got sued.

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Paul Mayer
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And now a lawyer is involved. From the NY Post:

quote:
Movie Theater Sued for Women-only 'Wonder Woman' Screenings

By Lia Eustachewich June 7, 2017

A New York law professor has sued a theater chain for discriminating against men with women-only screenings of “Wonder Woman.”

Stephen Clark, 48, decided to sue Alamo Drafthouse after seeing a wave of complaints on the theater’s Facebook page.

“There was a vibrant argument happening on Facebook,” Clark told The Washington Post. “But when the theater responded to complaints, they were pretty snide about it and willing to mock anyone who had a complaint and that really struck me.”

The Albany Law School professor added, “There is also the fact that what they were doing is illegal.”

Alamo theaters across the country held the exclusive screenings and sold out quickly, the chain said on its website.

“Apologies, gentlemen, but we’re embracing our girl power and saying ‘No Guys Allowed’ for one special night at the Alamo Ritz,” the theater’s Austin location wrote on its website. “And when we say ‘People Who Identify As Women Only,’ we mean it. Everyone working at this screening — venue staff, projectionist, and culinary team — will be female.”

Other women-only screenings were also held in Brooklyn.

Clark’s lawsuit accuses Alamo of not just discriminating against male customers – but also male employees by staffing only women.

“It’s the principle of the thing,” he said. “I’m a gay man and I’ve studied and taught gay rights for years. Our gay bars have long said that you do not exclude people because they’re gay or straight or transgender — you just can’t do that for any reason.”

Clark further explained, “We have to deal with the bachelorette parties that come to the gay bar,” he added. “They’re terribly disruptive, but if you forbid women from coming to a gay bar, you’re starting down a slippery slope. It’s discrimination.”

On Facebook, unimpressed men railed against the Alamo in Austin.

“Great, let us know when you have guys-only screenings of Thor, Spider-Man, Star Wars, etc. Let’s see you walk the walk now that you set this precedence,” Mike Canales wrote.

The theater responded, “Very sorry if you feel excluded. We thought it might be kinda fun — for one screening — to celebrate a character who’s meant a great deal to women for close to eight decades. Again, truly, truly, truly, truly sorry that we’ve offended you.”

“Wonder Woman,” which was directed by Patty Jenkins and stars Gal Gadot as the title character, is the first superhero flick with a woman in lead role since 2005’s “Elektra.”


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Of course a law professor wants to sue based on, gasp, Facebook arguing. I just don't see this as any kind of REAL discrimination, not how we all understood it. For that matter, why shouldn't those "terribly disruptive" bachelorette parties be asked to leave the gay bar if they truly are disrupting a businesses regular patrons? I've asked people to leave before who were disrupting people. I realize that may be difficult in an age where some jurisdictions have ruled that a person can "identify" with any number of terms they deem as their "gender" and in any way they define that, but still. Is one screening really discrimination?

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I think you can make a good case that it's discrimination, even for just one show.

"No black people allowed, just for this one show."

"No native people allowed, just for this one show."

"No men allowed, just for this one show."

The people complaining about this have a valid point, in my opinion.

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The whole thing is silly in my opinion, but to play Devil's Advocate, technically people are getting away with a bit of discrimination I am very much a supporter of, and that's "no babies allowed".

Not that I care if a baby watches a movie, but I do care when they scream their lungs out disrupting my enjoyment.

Alamo should host a men's only screening so men can go enjoy Wonder Woman without all the little teenage and college age girls screaming "whoooooooooooo" all through the movie like they tend to do at concerts, public performances, etc.

(I'm doubt Alamo would have a problem hosting such a show. As it's been pointed out before, they are masters of marketing.)

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Dave Bird
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The first two you list Frank are precisely discrimination, and I'd never support that. It's the third I just don't see. There are PLENTY of entities and events, clubs and teams in the world that cater to one or the other. We're told that women comprise 50.1% of almost 8 billion on the planet. I just don't see this as very discriminatory if that's their only qualifier, we have women's only fitness clubs, sports teams and competitions, social clubs, etc and so on. Now I'm not "fired up" over this in the least, I just think it's a shame we live in a time where people get worked up over something like this. There is not a soul who is damaged over this.

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I think the whole thing isn't worth complaining about or writing letters, etc. Is it sexism? Yes, it absolutely is by definition. But it's not the evil kind. This is one of those times were you don't want to stick to the literal definition of something. Other theaters might gain some publicity if they did a male-only screening of Wonder Woman, but I think theaters would be afraid that the publicity would be bad. Not sure why it would be. Here's your chance at marketing, someone.

Do you think the guy who posted this would be allowed in to a woman-only screening?
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Next time we have a zombie movie, I'm going to pick a slow night and host a "zombies only" screening. That way I'll get nationwide publicity and it'll be fun to see what kind of goofy weirdos show up. And if nobody comes I'll get a night off. So it'll be a win no matter what.

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