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Topic: Are you gonna get the iPhone "X"?
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Marcel Birgelen
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From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 09-20-2017 06:40 AM
quote: Lyle Romer
As a side benefit, it makes it easier to design thinner phones. It also gets rid of issues with intermittent loss of contact on the battery connector.
My 4 year old Blackberry has a replaceable battery, something that has NEVER annoyed me one bit is the thickness of the phone, it's thinner than a chocolate bar. Actually, it's just marginally thicker than my Galaxy S8. How many suppliers are as much obsessed about the thin-ness of their phone as Apple?
I think the only good reason for a non-user serviceable battery is if you want a phone with a high IP-rating, that's both water-resistent and sleek. Still, a phone that's just capable of withstanding a few drops of rain is sufficient for 95% of all users.
quote: Lyle Romer
Us losers that don't replace our phone every 18 months just have to do the battery surgery or keep it on a charger all the time after a while.
The thing is, it's getting increasingly hard to do so. I've got a 2 year old Microsoft Surface with a dying battery. It's not like you just remove a few screws to get to the battery, you need special tools to open the case, special tools to remove the glue and special glue to stick the stuff back together. If you're not trained, it will take you the better part of a day. It's just not economical for me to do this. This stuff is intentionally built to be unserviceable, they want me to buy a new machine.
If we would give just a tiny little shit about our environment, maybe we would start to hold those companies accountable for the crap they produce. I don't care wether this is Apple, Samsung or whatnot, they're all in this together. If I'm supposed to throw away otherwise good piece hardware after less than two years of use due to a little defect, at least they should make sure it doesn't just end up somewhere in a landfill in India and recylce every little bit of it. Or maybe even better: Just extend the liability of any product with some substantial value to 5 years by law. It's not like it is THAT difficult to engineer stuff that lasts, it's far harder to engineer stuf that breaks at exactly the right moment in its "lifecycle"...
quote: David Stambaugh
It could be Windows. It could be Russians. It could be some 400 pound guy living in his mom's basement.
Nobody has claimed any of that yet. (afaik)
But it is established that it was an exploit of a known security flaw in a public-facing Apache server.
Not arguing, just trying to follow the facts related to this specific breach. ![[Wink]](wink.gif) . I'm well aware of Windows' vulnerabilities.
It wasn't an Apache server. Apache Struts is NOT the same product as the Apache Web Server. Apache is an Open Source Software foundation and it hosts many open source products and projects. Struts is one of them. Struts is a so called MVC framework. Essentially it's a rapid development tool targeted at web applications. It's written in Java and runs both on Linux, several flavours of UNIX and Windows. Essentially, on every platform that runs the fully featured Java Virtual Machine.
Now, I think the point isn't that it was Apache Struts, or Windows, or whatever it was. The problem is the design in itself. In a perfect world, all software would be without bugs and without security flaws. But we all know, we're not living in this perfect world. That's why, in case of security, you need to account for shit to happen. It's how we design planes, we try to implement all critical systems in such a way, that stuff can fail, because we know it will fail.
That's why real security happens in independent layers. We know, at one level, someone will eventually screw up. He/she will forget to install a patch, a zero-day vulnerability opens up and someone happens to exploit it even before you know it existed, etc. etc.
What should have happened here is that this Apache Struts thing should never have talked to the database, containing the motherload of information, directly. There should have been multiple layers in between. One of those layers should have been a "sanitation layer", one that evaluates all the requests going in and out of the database to the front-end. There could also have been an independent API between the database and the front-end.
In such cases, the unpatched vulnerability in the Apache Struts software on the front-end would probably still be inexcusable, but it would not have let to any significant data loss, because only one of the layers would've been impacted.
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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 09-20-2017 10:31 AM
quote: Marcel Birgelen
My 4 year old Blackberry has a replaceable battery, something that has NEVER annoyed me one bit is the thickness of the phone, it's thinner than a chocolate bar. Actually, it's just marginally thicker than my Galaxy S8. How many suppliers are as much obsessed about the thin-ness of their phone as Apple?
Companies like Apple and Samsung strive to make their phones thinner and seemingly more elegant, like a fucking piece of jewelry to accessorize a high fasion wardrobe. And now the asshole companies are wrapping the whole damn phone case in glass, as if trying to keep the screen scratch-free isn't difficult enough! These are communication and productivity tools! Not jewelry!
Here's what I find hilarious with their tone-deaf, out of touch approach to product design. They go to all the effort to make their phones thin and elegant. What's the first thing a customer does after buying one of these highly over-priced devices? Slap on a screen protector and bulky drop-resistant case! So much for the thinness and elegance!
I have a Samsung Note 5. I recently checked out the new Note 8 and was immediately turned off by it. The tapered screen makes it difficult to install any sort of screen protector or drop-proof case. And the completely glassy all-around construction makes it a thin and slippery object. It would be very easy to drop one of these things or at least get it all scratched to hell. The product reviews seem pretty great, but they're only reviewing how the phone functions, not its extremely fragile exterior design.
There really needs to be a revolt against this tech-as-jewelry design philosophy. Go back 15 years and companies were making phones that could survive a drop or serious impact. My cousin Tommy had one of those kinds of phones. I don't remember the model, but it had pachmayr rubber built around the corners, almost like a pistol grip. He once dropped his phone out of a speeding car onto the highway. It did about a million high speed cart-wheels when it hit the pavement, but that device survived unscathed. None of these over-priced smart phones would stand up to that kind of torture test. But that's really the thing: the device makers don't want to make durable devices that can last many years. They want us continually "upgrading" every 18-24 months. They make more money that way. That's why we have the glued in batteries that last two years before they start going to hell.
It really pisses me off that personal computers are headed in this direction (thanks again for starting that trend, Apple). Glued in batteries, no user-serviceable parts, etc. make for a product that will have a shorter life span than need be. Notebook product reviewers get their panties in a twist if a notebook weighs more than 2 pounds. What kind of wimps are these people? I guess they don't realize they're contributing to this problem.
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Mike Blakesley
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From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 09-20-2017 02:05 PM
quote: Bobby Henderson
Here's what I find hilarious with their tone-deaf, out of touch approach to product design. They go to all the effort to make their phones thin and elegant.
...like a fucking piece of jewelry to accessorize a high fasion wardrobe
You nailed it right there: It's driven by women. Especially young women. They see their phone as an accessory, not a "tool." It's in their hands 90% of the time, so in the back of their minds, I think it's just as important as a watch or a ring, looks-wise.
My wife and I have identical phones. The case on mine is a plain black with rubber grips around the edges and on the back. It is ugly, but doesn't slide around when I set it on a surface, and I never drop it. The case on hers has a picture of palm trees on the back, is slippery all around, and is easy to drop. But, she likes the way it looks. I didn't care about the looks on mine, I wanted to protect my phone and not drop it.
The younger women are, the more important the look of their phone is to them. I have one friend who has various different phone cases to match whatever outfit she's wearing that day!
As for the non-replaceable battery thing, that's also easy to answer: It's because of all the people (men AND women) who are obsessed with having the latest gadget. If you were a tech company, and you knew that 75% of your buyers would happily shell out for your newest product (especially if it's more "elegant" than the previous one), why wouldn't you come out with a new version every year or so?
In short, they're not "out of touch." On the contrary, they know their market all too well. They don't make the battery replaceable because they don't need to.
They're just playing into modern human nature. The practical ones (like us on this board) are the ones who get the shaft.
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