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Mike Blakesley
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posted 11-21-2019 01:28 PM

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Star Wars is a property that is AGING, like it or not. People born after the year 2000 probably couldn't give two fucks about that whole saga.

I assume this is why they're putting Luke Skywalker and the whole rest of the cast of that saga to bed after this next movie and starting out afresh with a new trilogy with "new" characters (not to mention The Mandalorian which is also new stuff, from what I can tell).

Also I'm sure it's the reason why, for the new "Star Wars Land" at the theme parks, they are located on a previously unheard-of planet with a bunch of new characters. The only connection to "old" Star Wars is the Millenium Falcon.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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posted 11-21-2019 05:45 PM

Got Disney+, the question is whether I am going to keep it after I catch up on their classic films that I missed in my childhood.

Presently there is not sufficient original Marvel programming to keep me. As too Marvel feature films, Netflix will eventually send me the BluRay. I am not interested in children/young adult programs.

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Jarod Reddig
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posted 11-21-2019 07:28 PM

Yes Bobby I wish they would have put that stuff on the Blurays as extras at least.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 11-21-2019 07:52 PM

quote: Geoff Jones
Bobby, have you seen Harmy's Despecialized Editions?

No, I haven't seen it. I haven't watched the Project 4K77 version either. It seems like a great deal of effort went into both editions. Fox/Disney would likely possess even better materials. It's just stupid that they don't do a proper, official restoration.

quote: Mike Blakesley
I assume this is why they're putting Luke Skywalker and the whole rest of the cast of that saga to bed after this next movie and starting out afresh with a new trilogy with "new" characters (not to mention The Mandalorian which is also new stuff, from what I can tell).

There's little doubt about their motivations. Obviously Disney wants to pitch Star Wars to new generations of kids. The problem is the whole saga is based on something made for previous generations 40 years ago. It kind of reminds me of the 70's and 80's when Disney was really in kind of a funk. When I was a kid I really wasn't all that interested in animated movies made 20 or more years before I was even born. But Disney was relying on those old properties rather than working hard to develop something new. They started turning it around when they released The Little Mermaid and went into the 1990's on a hit streak. It was with all new properties. Pixar added to their fortunes.

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Frank Angel
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posted 11-21-2019 08:05 PM

Pay for Disney+? ...after they make the 20thCenFox library unavailable, but still get the government to give them free copyright protection (plus the services of the FBI thrown in to boot?) HELLS NO!...just on principle.

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Geoff Jones
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posted 11-22-2019 11:21 AM

quote: Bobby Henderson
Fox/Disney would likely possess even better materials. It's just stupid that they don't do a proper, official restoration.

They may have better access, but I’m not sure their dedication and attention to detail would come close to the efforts made on the fan restorations. Just look at the miscolored lightsabers and screwed up sound mixes that have showed up in the official releases.

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Daniel Schulz
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posted 11-22-2019 08:17 PM

I sprang for a deal in which I signed up for a free D23 membership, paid in advance for two years of Disney+ and got a third year free, which works out to slightly less than $4/month.

So far I've only watched The Mandalorian, which is really good so far (but then it'd better be, at a reported $15M per episode). I was excited to show my wife The Simpsons (she grew up not watching it, and so missed those first 10 or so glorious years), but they are currently streaming cropped to 16:9 - I understand the 4:3 versions will go up sometime in early 2020. Also interested in the MCU tie-in shows.

I haven't poked around the service too much, but I am hearing a lot of frustration around a lack of metadata. It's not easy to search the service to find things, and related programming doesn't show up together in search results.

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Dennis Benjamin
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posted 11-23-2019 07:13 AM

Since my house is about to become cable tv free and I do have kids.

Yes.

I watched "The Back Cauldron" already, which is my favorite Disney animated film. Also, I checked out "The Phantom of the Megaplex", which I enjoyed (Mickey Rooney).

It also helps that I have it free for one year.

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Randy Stankey
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posted 11-23-2019 03:10 PM

I haven't had cable TV for more than twenty years or more and I don't plan to get it.

I don't care to pay upwards of $100 per month for crap I don't want to watch.

Previously, I received OTA television with an antenna on the roof but, now, I live in an apartment building where I'm not allowed to put up an antenna. Most indoor antennas suck and the ones that do work well cost more than I want to pay.

I just don't care about television enough to pay that much to have it.

I have an Apple TV box that I use to get my "On-Screen Entertainment." There are plenty of free things to watch. There's "Tubi," "Crackle," "YouTube," "PBS" and others.

I do have accounts with NetFlix and Hulu but I don't pay the monthly subscription.

I am absolutely dead-set against anybody taking money out of my account without my express permission for that particular transaction. It's morally wrong!

Instead, I pay for my subscriptions with gift cards.

I buy a gift card at the store, use it to charge up whatever account I want to use and let it ride until the card is used up. When it's time to recharge the account I buy another card.

One time, I'll recharge my NetFlix account. The next time, I'll recharge my Hulu account. Since Hulu and NetFlix change their content, roughly, on a monthly basis, by the time my account on one of them runs empty, the other has changed content to something interesting. That way I'm never paying money for crap that I've already watched.

As far as Disney goes, I'm just not interested enough to even look into it.

It's just another monthly bill that I would have to pay (or manage with gift cards) in order to have access to crap I'll never watch.

And, as others have pointed out, the way Disney is hoarding the Fox catalog, I feel biased against Disney in the first place and I am even less likely to sign up.

So... As I said above. Just, plain, "No."

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Kyle Mikolajczyk
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posted 12-09-2019 08:04 PM

quote: Dennis Benjamin
I watched "The Back Cauldron" already, which is my favorite Disney animated film. Also, I checked out "The Phantom of the Megaplex", which I enjoyed (Mickey Rooney).

I have never seen this movie before but I have heard it has been regarded as the "worst Disney animated movie". I am impressed that you call it your favorite!

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Jesse Skeen
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posted 12-14-2019 10:33 PM

I had high hopes for this but tried it out the first night it went live and immediately cancelled because they are kicking you out during the end credits, just like Netflix. I would've thought Disney would have more respect for their own content, especially since so much of it has after-credit scenes and such, but no. Guess I shouldn't be surprised when they've had ridiculous logo bugs on the Disney Channel for a long time.

Here's how "10 Things I Hate About You" ends- the screen-shrinking triggers a good 30 seconds before the first credit even appears, and the movie has footage going on to the very end- why the fuck would they encourage people to quit watching it early?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lZT4A5dDts

It suggests you cut it short to watch "Never Been Kissed"- just for fun I clicked on that and skipped to its end credits, which have high school yearbook photos of most of the cast and crew accompanying it (I made up the film print for that and didn't cue the lights to come up until they had finished). The shrinking didn't kick in as aggressively as the previous movie, but when it did it suggested "10 Things I Hate About You," which I had just "watched"! Seriously, fuck this shit- I'd rather watch VHS tapes than this, at least they don't tell me when to stop watching.

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Martin Brooks
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posted 12-15-2019 09:05 PM

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As it stands, Star Wars is a property that is AGING, like it or not. People born after the year 2000 probably couldn't give two fucks about that whole saga.. It's NOT their jam. And that's putting it nicely.

I don't know on what basis you can make that assessment. Go to a toy store and look at how many Lego Star Wars sets there still are. Anecdotal, but my 10-year-old grandson loves Star Wars, even the prequels and so do his friends. He's a very smart kid and when we watched together when he was a bit younger, he laughed at everything Jar Jar did, which made me realize that Lucas wasn't as stupid as I thought he was. My 16-year-old granddaughter would watch the films when others are watching, but she doesn't care much about them, but she's quite sophisticated and is far more into music than movies. They were both also very into Harry Potter and still are.

I don't think Star Wars is "aging". It just may be that the people who have lived with it for over 40 years are tired of it, like the big hit song that you once loved, but has been so overplayed that you never want to hear it again. There's a difference.

The older Star Wars films may be aging from a special effects standpoint, but the stories and characters are just as valid now as they were in 1977, just as the Wizard of Oz is still considered a classic and watched by many.

And personally, I'm no fanboy (and no hater) of the Star Wars films. I can certainly see the flaws in all the films, but I don't get crazy about it. If you check some of the Star Wars threads on other sites, people are completely obsessed and crazy and I dare say, even psychotic. They just can't let their complaints go. Personally, when I don't like a film, I pretty much just forget about it.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 12-15-2019 09:47 PM

quote: Martin Brooks
I don't know on what basis you can make that assessment. Go to a toy store and look at how many Lego Star Wars sets there still are. Anecdotal, but my 10-year-old grandson loves Star Wars, even the prequels and so do his friends.

What other choice do the kids have? That's the real point.

I feel sorry for children and teens these days because there is way too little of anything that's actually new and original made from scratch for their era. They're getting re-sold hand-me-down content from my generation (Gen-X) and older. Movie box offices have been dominated by super hero movies from Marvel and DC; those movies are technically new, but many of the characters were created when I was a kid or even much older than me.

I don't doubt children of today like Star Wars. But, again, that level of "like" isn't to the insane degree that it was back in the late 1970's when it was a genuinely new thing. For crying out loud, they made a disco album of the Star Wars music back then! It was crazy.

This new Star Wars movie will surely rake in a ton of money, and probably gross way more than the original did 42 years ago. But is anybody really going to care? It's not going to be some ground-breaking new cultural phenomenon.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 12-15-2019 11:34 PM

quote: Bobby Henderson
I feel sorry for children and teens these days because there is way too little of anything that's actually new and original made from scratch for their era.

When I was a kid the hot toys were Tinkertoys, Erector Sets, Lionel trains and board games. These were all things that were around for generations before I came along. The hot new thing was G.I.Joe, or Rock'em Sock'em Robots. Basically anything that the TV announcer said "By Marx!" at the end, was a must-have toy. (And I still play with Lionel Trains today, so they had a lasting impact!)

The point is, the Star Wars and Lego stuff is just carrying on a time honored toy tradition. The really big new thing that sticks is one of the most difficult things to come up with.

Lionel made it happen in the train world when they licensed "The Polar Express" 15 years ago... today they are still making a complete line of Polar Express trains in three different scale sizes, with cool new stuff coming out all the time. One particular engine (for adult collectors) sells for north of $1500. And they have gone on to license at least a dozen other hot properties, including Disney AND Warner Bros.' Looney Tunes. (How they pulled that one off is a mystery to me.)

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 12-16-2019 10:03 AM

quote: Mike Blakesley
The point is, the Star Wars and Lego stuff is just carrying on a time honored toy tradition. The really big new thing that sticks is one of the most difficult things to come up with.

Yet most previous generations had their "big new thing that sticks" with movies, music and all sorts of other stuff. Gen-X definitely had a lot of big things we got to call our own. Same for Baby Boomers, the Silent Generation and Greatest Generation. There's not so much of that these days. Things started getting stale as Millennials were coming of age in the 2000's. I think Gen-Z has kind of gotten ripped off. The "cultural phenomenon" going on now is our Internet of Things devices spying on us or getting hacked.

Lately I've been seeing a bunch of these throw-back video game cabinets in stores offering multiple 1980's video games using the original ROMs. They seem pretty cool to me at first glance (I'd love to see a Robotron: 2084 game), although the flat panel monitors change some of the original look. At the same time it seems like tyranny of nostalgia. Old ideas being sold as new again.

Speaking of trains, I used to be a real train geek when I was a kid. I thought good electric trains (model or ready-to-run) were pretty expensive back then. It seems like it would cost a fortune now to build a great quality train layout now, especially if someone wanted to build a big O-scale based layout.

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