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Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 05-30-1999, 02:32 AM:
 
I have rebuilt and used the Holmes machines in the past and found them to be
quite reliable and dependable. Some sources of parts I have found are:
Marty Bahn & Company (Miami, Florida. Advertises in BIG REEL).
International Cinema (also in Miami. Try Website:www.ICECO.com)
HADDEN Theater Supply
10201 Bunsen Way
Louisville, Ky. 40299
Louis Bornwasser, Owner
(502) 499-0050
Fax: 502-499-0052
 
Posted by Bruce on 05-30-1999, 02:33 AM:
 
At last! Another Holmes man! Mine is not painted nicely yet, but it runs well and
has steady sound. Pretty good for a 60 pound boat anchor.

A good friend just bought a Simplex, and I had trouble just carrying the head out
to his truck, much less the rest of it. Hope he gets his running as fast as I did. (5
weeks)
 


Posted by Mitchell Cope (Member # 32) on 05-30-1999, 02:33 AM:
 
I bought an AVE 35mm Standard "Transportable" projector from a guy who had
purchased it from Marty Bahn & Company. From the manual it looks like Marty
had bought many of these projectors as he was changing the name from AVE to
MBC in the manual. The former owner, though, thought Marty had died. The
number I have for MBC in Miami has been disconnected, (305) 940-8871. Do
you know if MBC is still around? If so, contact information would be appreciated
as I will sometime in the future need parts. Thanks.
 
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 05-30-1999, 02:34 AM:
 
The last address I have for them is: MARTY BAHN & COMPANY, 585 NW
25 Terrace, Boca Raton, Florida 33496, phone: (407) 998-0022. I hope this
helps out. It's been awhile since I saw an ad from them.
 
Posted by Mitchell Cope (Member # 32) on 05-30-1999, 02:34 AM:
 
Thanks Ken, but that number has been disconnected too. If anybody knows the
whereabouts of Marty's inventory, I'd sure be interested.
 
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 05-30-1999, 02:35 AM:
 
I have not seen Marty for five years. He was working on a project for
Disneyworld at the time.
An AVE transportable is a japanese Shinko projector and parts are available.
Contact Rangertone in New York.
Final note, Marty also distributed another MBC portable which was ( and still is )
manufactured in Spain by Wassman.
 
Posted by Mitchell Cope (Member # 32) on 05-30-1999, 02:36 AM:
 
Thanks Richard. Do you happen to have a number or email address for
Rangertone? My web search finds a Rangertone in New Jersey that was into
organs and subsequently 35mm magnetic recording. Is this the same? I cannot
seem to locate a phone number. Thanks.
 
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 05-30-1999, 02:36 AM:
 
From my old 1993 copy of BOXOFFICE magazine buyers guide, there is this
address for Rangertone:
RANGERTONE RESEARCH, INC.
115 Roosevelt Ave.
Belleville, NJ. 07109
(201) 751-6833
Fax: (201) 751-9741
George Zazzali, President
Daniel Zazzali, Vice President

Be advised that there are now several area codes for New Jersey, so you may
have to try one of the others as it may have been changed over the years. At one
time Rangertone was affiliated with Atlantic Audio-Visual (at the same address).
Both Atlantic and Rangertone specialised in 16mm Xenon conversions and
portable 35mm machines.
 


Posted by Mitchell Cope (Member # 32) on 05-30-1999, 02:37 AM:
 
Thanks Ken. The correct number for RANGERTONE RESEARCH, INC. is:

(973) 751-6833

I talked to them and ordered a couple of aperture plates and a parts manual for
my Shinko 35mm Transportable Projector (a.k.a. A.V.E. 35mm Transportable
Projector).


 


Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 05-30-1999, 02:44 AM:
 
I rebuilt the original Holmes amplifier for the type 8 projectors a few years ago for
my local film society. That old amp sounds pretty good when you put in new
capacitors!
Marty Bahn & Company in Florida was at one time modifying the gate casting to
take the Century projector slip in aperture plates. Also they had a modified lens
holder casting that would allow a scope lens to fit nicely. I have also seen
homemade solar cell setups for this machine, but the amplifier must be modified to
remove the +90 volts from the input jack. Otherwise your solar cell would go
BOOM! The Holmes uses a BXC Exciter lamp. Projection lamps for this machine
varied depending on the machines' serial number. Use DTJ, DSB, or DTA lamps
in machines with serial numbers 9500 to 18416. Use a DFD with serial numbers
18417 and up. DTJ and DSB are ordinary projection lamps. The DTA is a
halogen type with longer life.
 
Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 09-18-1999, 08:42 AM:
 
Holmes is great! I cant beat the new image since I took the whole gate apart and found that I had not included a large spacer washer between the lens barrel and the frame when I put it together back in April.
Side-to-side movement is improved, however, the shedding from polyester stock is unchanged.

Are the aperture places replaceable on this boy? Mine has the original flat rounded cornered one that makes me think I am watching old school flicks. Most of the prints I have are 1:85. My scope stuff is being cropped too. I dont really want to try and file the edges of the frame opening out.

Also, is there a way to get the film to move to the right just a bit? The spring loaded guide on the top of the gate has the spring on the rear side pushing the film guide toward you. Is this right? It was this way when I got it. Sometimes I can see the edge of the film to the right of the image. A certain 13 reel feature is the worst for this. Things appear on the right side constantly.

Please help, or should I give up and get a real projector? Remember! There is a space problem here!

Bruce
 


Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 09-18-1999, 09:45 AM:
 
13-reel feature...hmm...what would that be. Umm...probably either GWTW or 70mm Lawrence of Arabia. Actually, with GWTW, R7 and R8 will fit on a single 2000' reel. That's the way that the print arrived when I ran it last fall. It also arrived pretty much trashed and with no head or tail leaders on any reel. Needless to say, I was Not Happy... Thanks, Bruce, for bringing back a bad memory. <grin>
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 09-18-1999, 03:04 PM:
 
I think you should just junk it and get a real projector. Considering your space requirements, I think the Norelco AAII would be your best alternative. It only weighs about the same as 5 cars and takes up half a city block.

Let's see, the spring loaded guide rollers you are referring to are the "lateral guide rollers". I have never seen nor worked with a Holmes, but typically there is a tiny allan wrench screw you can loosen to shift this guide horizontally. Generally, there is a screw on the back side to "freeze" it from wandering off of alignment, and then there's the actual screw to move the roller side to side. Be careful, as if your Holmes has those little jewels on each end, you can easily lose it if you loosen the two screws more than a turn or two at a time. I recommend you work in a well lighted area on top of something like a lid to a banker's box, so if you lose it, it will just drop into the box and not on your carpet!

One more thing to remember. When you're finished, the soundtrack edge guide roller should be able to spin freely, but should not have ANY side to side movement to it. If you do, you will see the picture shaking from side to side as you watch your films. Adjust accordingly.

Do you have a manual or any good close up pics of this machine? It would be much easier to assist if I could describe the gate and trap. Hopefully someone out there knows these machines well enough to assist better than I have been able to.
 


Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 09-18-1999, 04:01 PM:
 
There's not an allen screw on anything in this machine. The lateral guide roller is fitted between 2 ears sticking up on the aperture casting. There is a single shaft threaded through the centers on the rollers. There is no adjustment. The non-soundtrack side has a small spring pushing the guide back. I can gently push the guide and make the views of the side of the 13 reel epic disappear. Oh my gosh, I think I figured it out. Skinny washer!!!

More later.
 


Posted by Ben Wales (Member # 92) on 09-18-1999, 06:27 PM:
 
Wha'ts the age of the Holmes 8?.
I have found a Holmes 35mm which was first installed on a Cunard Liner in about 1927, it was in thae last owner's shed for over 20 years!, it must have been hand cranked as the motor looks like a add on.
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 09-18-1999, 06:32 PM:
 
Dealing with portable the microcine was quite good as was the prevost portable
Veronese make a good double band one
Also there was the MP30's from india
 
Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 09-18-1999, 07:43 PM:
 
My Holmes 8 dates from around 1940 or so... When I got it, it was painted grey, and still is. They made an almost identical "Educator" series that was black in color. The Educator that I have has a variable speed Bodine motor on it. It runs well.

Unfortunately, the Educator is a parts machine for my 8. It is using an original GE motor that dates to the years of 1939-1942. It is a regular split-phase 1/8 horsepower, 1725 rpm motor. If there was more room on the motor shaft, I would install a flywheel to slow down the start-up speed so there would be less strain on the film perfs.

Been lucky. After damaging a reel of a feature slightly, I have learned how to correctly thread the beast.

I have heard from several Holmes owners. I think there are more of them than lets on. I'd like to hear from others.

 


Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 09-19-1999, 07:43 PM:
 
Ed McCormack who is now retired was the former head of Engineering for Odeon Theatres in Canada spent a good part of WW2 on the British Battle Wagon The Duke of York and he told me this Holmes story
He was standing in the mess on evening befor the training filmn was to be run and the holmes was sitting on the edge of the table during ruff seas and Ed cautioned the petty officer incharge that the machine might fall off. The officer told him to mind his station and sure enough a wave caught the ship and the holmes crashed to the steel deck and cracked the frame. The officer said rather dryly" thank goodness, that can now go over the side and we can get a BTH protable"
 
Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 09-21-1999, 08:08 AM:
 
I like reading old Holmes horror stories.

My side-weave is stopped. I removed the shaft on the lateral guide roller without removing the actual rollers and spring. I installed a very thin washer that I found in the junk box on the operator side of the guide between the casting and the roller. Then I replaced the shaft. The 13 reeler was the first to run. R1 was enough. The edge is just out of the aperture frame now. Looks better. Also, the side weave is almost nil.

I Guess that a Holmes can look good, too.
Bruce
 


Posted by Bill Carter (Member # 156) on 09-24-1999, 01:21 PM:
 
Marty Bahn did indeed pass away several years
ago. His shop was capable of fabricating any parts you might have needed, for virtually any machine. He also offered a line of products he manufactured.

I managed to track his daughter down by
telephone, who told me that his machine shop and heavy inventory had been liquidated very quickly. She was, at that time, looking for someone to take over Marty's line of high-gain screen paint, but she had no plans to continue offering any of Marty's products after the then-existing stock was gone.

Marty always seemed a very friendly guy, and was always very helpful to me.
 






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