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Avoid any guillotine style splicers at all costs.

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That Pile of them cost me nothing so They are my favorite
 

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Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 08-10-2004, 06:51 PM:
 
Both Neumade and Strong make quality splicers.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 08-10-2004, 07:06 PM:
 
Neumade and Splycemar are the same splicer, so you now have two good options here.

Strong's splicer would have been good if they had've fixed the registration pin issue noted in the review (promised by PM, but never delivered). Until that is fixed, I cannot recommend it.
 

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Posted by Antonio Marcheselli (Member # 373) on 08-10-2004, 07:14 PM:
 
Uh, interesting post!

Brad, I remember your appreciation about neumade splicers. I always worked with CIRs.

But for four months I had the opportunity to work with neumade.

WOW, CIR are so BETTER!!!!! Gordon says that they have the registration pins, but that pins should'nt be used to overlap the print, the same trick used with neumade should be applied.

However, Brad, I found the CIRs better for these reasons:

1. Lighter
2. Cuts better the print
3. Cuts better the tape. Neumade works only with very sharp blades. CIR does not use the sharpness of their blades to cut the tape but mainly the contrast between the blades and the steel work area where you put the print.
4. Cuts perfectly the holes. The photos I saw once about a bad splice by CIR was made using the pins to overlap the print.
5. Can be cleaned and disassembled in a easier way

Gordon
I use that pins in this way:

1. When I have a "black" spice (between two trailers...) where a "pop" in the sound can be easily heard I use the pins to overlap. No matter if I damage slighty the perf, they are just trailers and I'm projecting black.
2. When I have to splice reels I use the pins only to perfectly align the parts to have a NON overlapped splice. The image does not jump, the sound does not jump and the perf are not damaged.

I cannot do this with neumade.

What do you think?

Bye
A

P.S. Brad, what are these system messages??
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-10-2004, 07:24 PM:
 
Anthony,

CIR does NOT cut better the print nor does it cut better the tape. And it most CERTAINLY does not cut perfectly the holes.
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It should be noted that Neumade does have a crappy version of the 35SS made in the US (not Japan like the good ones) which is basically what a Monee is to a real Century. Maybe that is what you used? The Japanese made 35SS definitely cuts better the print, cuts better the tape, cuts better the holes, and lasts longer the time without replacing the blade.

Bye!
Joe
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 08-10-2004, 09:04 PM:
 
Yeah Anthony, you have me completely confused here too. I've worked with brand new genuine CIRs and they are absolute shit. I'll bet Joe is right. You probably got one of the crappy US Neumades.

For the record, with the Neumade you can make overlap OR butt splices without changing anything.

This has been discussed before. Rather than dredge up another useless argument, anyone feeling the need to comment should do a search first to make sure it hasn't already been discussed to death.

(PS - Anthony, don't mess with the Soup Nazi. He's mean.)
 

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-10-2004, 09:57 PM:
 
Actually most new splicers work well when they are new. Its just how fast they go downhill from that new stage. Some go downhill much faster than others. I definately agree with Brad on the Strong though. Those pins are a joke. A company HAS to be able to do precision work on a regualar day in-day out basis in order to be able to make those precision lapped full fitting pins.

Mark @ CLACO
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 08-10-2004, 11:36 PM:
 
Who the heck is Anthony?
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-11-2004, 12:08 AM:
 
Think of it the same way as "Tony Bandito".
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Posted by Antonio Marcheselli (Member # 373) on 08-11-2004, 04:55 PM:
 
Uhm...

When I'll see a "Wanted - Rewards" poster here?

Neumade I used was made in Japan. I don't know what to say, I was so happy to work with neumade but I'm now so happy to come back to CIR! If once I'll come to USA you will show to me a better maintained/well working Neumade!

bye
A as Anthony
 

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Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 08-12-2004, 01:52 AM:
 
Newmade all the way. Having put up with a stong personally, yeah, they suck. Crappy tape holder, pins in the way of your thumb, and it leave the tape chads behind instead of punching them out.

Josh
 

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Posted by Antonio Marcheselli (Member # 373) on 08-12-2004, 08:21 AM:
 
I have to say that I had much more tape "debris" problem with Neumade than with CIRs.

Perhaps the quality of the tape can make the difference...

Bye
A
 

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Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 08-12-2004, 08:46 AM:
 
Does Neumade make a fox sprocket splicer; I am thinking the SS stands for Standard Sprockets (or if it were made in Germany, something more sinister) so I would imagine they also make or at least at one time made a 35CS, no?

Yah, love my Neumade. A good tool is like a good woman....(someone fill in the rest 'cause my lady is standing right next to me and I don't want to get hit in the head this early in the morning....besides, I really can't think of anything anyway).
 

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Posted by Bill Gabel (Member # 1105) on 08-12-2004, 03:06 PM:
 
Neumade made a Fox Hole splicer in the good old cement days. It was called something like NeuScope (sp?). I still have one of them in storage.
 

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Posted by Andy Bergstrom (Member # 360) on 08-12-2004, 03:48 PM:
 
No splicer works good unless it is clean. Regular maintenance is a must for good splicer operation. There seems to be a big difference in the quality(or age?) of splicing and cue tape.
 

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Posted by Greg Routenburg (Member # 1742) on 08-12-2004, 08:39 PM:
 
It was once explained to me that the CIR has the adjustable registration pins to allow for shrunken film stock. Is this infact the case?
 

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Posted by Chris Trainor (Member # 9) on 08-12-2004, 09:17 PM:
 
I have a CIR and yes it does have adjustable pins on one side. There is a little knob that moves the set of pins ever so slightly.

--chris
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-12-2004, 10:41 PM:
 
I absolutely hate the CIR splicer! I think Anthony likes it because it was made in Italy or something. We had 4 of these things and each one of them was equally horrible! And we took VERY good care of all of our splicers.[av=h]
 

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Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 08-12-2004, 11:30 PM:
 

quote: Frankie Angel

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Does Neumade make a fox sprocket splicer; I am thinking the SS stands for Standard Sprockets (or if it were made in Germany, something more sinister) so I would imagine they also make or at least at one time made a 35CS, no?

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quote: Antonio

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I don't know what to say, I was so happy to work with neumade but I'm now so happy to come back to CIR!

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If a Neumade is out of alignment or adjustment, it'll be just as crappy as any other. However, it takes a great deal of knowledge and skill to adjust them properly (although, if they're out of adjustment to begin with, they have either been dropped, or somebody screwed with it.) Working at theatre supply with a fine engineer who grew up as a watchmaker, I learned to get them pretty much dead-nuts-on; so much so that there was no resistance while pressing down on the handle to make a splice! Just as smooth as silk...

My experience was that degree of accuracy was not attainable in the CIR's. They just weren't designed to be aligned to as close a tolerance as the Neumades.
 

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Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 08-13-2004, 01:16 AM:
 
Got to have that CIR splicer with the adjustable pins.
 

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Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 08-13-2004, 03:54 AM:
 
The 35CS (Cinemascope perf) splicer can still be had but it is a special order item....I just supplied one within the last year.

Steve
 

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Posted by Antonio Marcheselli (Member # 373) on 08-13-2004, 07:08 AM:
 
Joe,

I respect your opinion but I'm sorry that you consider my technical review/opinion that way, just because I'm Italian... Do you know what I think about Cinemeccanica, isn't it?

I used both Neumade and CIR. Probably my neumades were in poor alignment status. But I usually do not write good things on this or that equipment just because they're "made in Italy"!!!

Bye!

Tony Bandito
 

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Posted by Paul Trimboli (Member # 1509) on 08-13-2004, 08:36 AM:
 
Well I have to say all I have seen and worked with are CIR and love them, never had a single problem. Used them at all the places I worked, got one at home and now a 16mm CIR to add to the collection.
 

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Posted by Chris Trainor (Member # 9) on 08-13-2004, 01:16 PM:
 
Just to set things straight.... I love the Nuemade splicer.... I was only answering the question about the CIR.

However, I do keep the CIR in good condition, and havn't had any issues with it at all. I just like the big, manly handle on the Numade better.

--Chris
 

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Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 08-14-2004, 01:45 PM:
 
Considering the exorbitant price of all of these things, they are all pretty much junk, cobbled up pieces parts assembled to a cast base of mystery metal.
 

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Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 08-14-2004, 06:39 PM:
 
Considering the price....

Think about how many splicers are sold...worldwide...Do you think that number gets out of the hundreds? Now cut up that pie into the various manufacturers which there are predominately two but there are even cheapo knockoffs on those too.

For the most part, there isn't too much precision in them until you get to the punch and die. Most splicer manufacturers have to maintain a line of the punch/dies to handle the various perforation types and even film guages.

Now lets look at the life of the things...if reasonably taken care of, they will last...well just about forever. A little cleaning here and there, don't drop it or allow it to be flung and you got yourself a pretty decent value there. For a 35mm tape splicer you might spend as much as $600, depending on flavor (and most will be paying a bit less) but take that $600 figure...if your theatre makes it 10-years your splicer cost is down to $60/year for something that is essential to the operation of a film based cinema. Pretty reasonable if you ask me.

If they are that easy to make and there is a pile of money to be made off of them, there would be more people out there making them. The realities are, it is a tiny, tiny market.

Steve
 

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Posted by Phil Blake (Member # 2012) on 08-15-2004, 06:50 AM:
 
well ..... after spending the first half of my career making splices with my thumbs, scissors, razor blade and film cement , I think any tape splicer is a godsend . Have used a few , basically they all seem to do the job ok.
 

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