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Posted by Keith Richardson (Member # 97) on 07-22-1999, 09:29 PM:
Is it true that (south park creators) Trey Parker and Matt Stone pushed the R rating to the brink for their movie to get back at the MPAA for their NC-17 rating on Stone's last film ORGAZMO? I have read that this is the speculation behind it's raunchy-ness. Has anyone else heard anything?
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-23-1999, 12:07 AM:
Yup. That explains a good bit of it.Remember what Sheila Browlowski said? "Just remember what the MPAA has taught us. Horrific and deplorable violence is ok, just as long as there isn't any naughty words. That's what this war is about." -from "Southpark: Bigger, Longer and Uncut"
Actually, I fail to see why Orgazmo wasn't an R rated movie. Guess it's all that implied sex that is covered up better than Eyes Wide Shut.
(Excuse me if I didn't get that quote word for word...but you get the point.)
Posted by Thomas Ferreira (Member # 96) on 07-23-1999, 07:43 AM:
As big a South Park fan as I am, and as much as I love the film, this movie was a logistical nightmare from our standpoint-we strictly enforce the R rating-positive id required, under 17 must have their ticket purchased by a parent. I had one asshole actually throw a tensabarrier(and you know how much those cost)across my lobby because his girlfriend didn't have an ID. My assistant manager had to restrain me from actually attacking this jerk. Most of the rest of the clients for South Park consisted of trailer park trash who thought nothing of bringing their flock of eight year olds to see 'a cartoon'. The best was the couple in their 70's who we warned until we were blue in the face. They made it until Terrence and Phillip's song, and immediately snuck into Wild Wild West(which was almost an hour into the show). Normally we would have tossed them, but we were too busy laughing.
Posted by Jim Bedford (Member # 4) on 07-23-1999, 04:52 PM:
Horrorshow!! Our small town R rating woes are minimal. We know our kids. There are parents who would flip out if we turned their kids away from South Park, or may other films that are R for language or sex. We know which ones to ask to bring a note or we will even call the parent from the theatre and check up on the kid. The kids know not to lie as we will catch them. Some of these kids have literally grown up at our theatre and we saw some graduate from hight school in May. (Rhetorically: How can a TV show that is accessable to millions of kids on a weekly basis be cut off to its largest audience in its theatrical run? "It's a f*ckin' joke," as Stan might say.)
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 07-26-1999, 08:46 PM:
You know, just today I had a bunch of 9-year-old girl scouts come into the theatre for a group tour. They walked past the house where S. Park was playing and all wanted to go in and see it. My standard reply was, "That movie is NOT for kids!" Every one of them loudly disagreed with me! They think it's their RIGHT to go see whatever movie they want! Finally, I just ignored the noise they made and took them down to the movie their scoutmaster bought their tickets for... "Tarzan". As they were leaving, I saw them again and asked them how they liked Tarzan and they all LOVED it. How short kids' memoried are!
Posted by Alan Brandt (Member # 426) on 04-14-2000, 02:10 AM:
I looked up SouthPark in "Search" to see what people had to say about that movie...I was surprised more people didn't complain in the theatre. Randy said: There were a flock of 10 year old boys who had a birthday party in the south park movie, and when it was over, they forgot about it." Basically, that's what southpark is. A way to forget things easily...and have an excuse for your 4 year old to be swearing at a young age. No wonder there's so many murders out there now. These poor kids are just growing up in a land without hope for a big strong future. Instead they're being warped by this unusual Cartoon animated "porn" called southpark. It is funny, but most people don't think Its necessary to portray a deceased Kenny every episode. Children will grow up thinking they are immune to death itself. That would not be good, especially with the increase of drug use, guns, and overall violence. These southpark-type movies should be halted. What's everybody elses opinion on this "touchy-feely subject"?
Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 04-14-2000, 04:14 AM:
Well Alan, I have to disagree with you on just about every point there. South Park is not the problem with our society, parenting is the problem. Your assertion that because kenny dies every episode will make kids think they are immune to death is absurd. How many times did Wile E. Cyote bite the dust, all in the same cartoon, but still kept on ticking and kicking. Those cartoons have been around for over fifty years. How many times has Goofy gone over a cliff, or daffy duck been shot dead in the face or exploded on stage? My friend what is happening here is horribly poor parenting. It doesn't matter what kids watch, its who watches it with them, and how they relate to that person. My daughter watches south park all the time, but I wont let her see the movie, but what she watches, she watches with me. We talk about the show, its realities and its fantasies. She is very grounded and all my kids are this way. None of them think they are invincible in any way, because they have me to be afraid of! (not much of a threat, I am wrapped around thier fingers....)------------------
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Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 04-14-2000, 04:30 AM:
A minor point...Wile E. Coyote (Genius) and Daffy Duck never 'died'. Granted, they were thrown off cliffs and shot in the face respectively but no-one ever died, or mentioned the words dead or killed.
They say they've killed Kenny every week.
Some shows are simply not for kids and parents have got to sit up and start paying attention instead of just being glad their kids are occupied.
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Indiana Jones.
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 04-14-2000, 04:50 AM:
I agree with your point John. But with Daffy getting shot in the face, etc... it assumes that gunfire can't kill you. It all falls into the same argument as Southpark anyway.And of course I agree with Dave 110%
Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 04-14-2000, 05:06 AM:
I guess it was always inferred, but never mentioned. As long as I can remember watching these cartoons, I knew that Daffy SHOULD have been dead. I knew about guns.But Kenny ACTUALLY DIES every week.
Anyway, you're right, time to get back to Film-Tech and leave the degredation of our children to South Park's creators.
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"It's not the years honey, it's the mileage".
Indiana Jones.
Posted by Juan Mendez (Member # 311) on 04-14-2000, 10:50 AM:
I saw an interview with Trey Parker and Matt Stone, and in the interview Trey Parker said the first version of South Park was given an NC-17 rating, and afterward they threw all kinds of other bad stuff in it, just to piss the censors off. To his surprise, they actually gave him an R-rating after that. How he got away with some of that stuff amazes me (although it was funny as hell). In fact Parker said that the MPAA didn't realize what the title,"Bigger, Longer and Uncut" refered to, until they had already given the okay.
Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 04-14-2000, 11:10 AM:
I think I heard that same interview.Many of you may know this, but the original title was supposed to be SOUTH PARK: ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE and the MPAA rejected that title because of the word "Hell." Of course, lots of other movies have used that word in the title.
So, the makers of SOUTH PARK sort of figured that the MPAA fired the first round in this battle and they felt completely justified in doing any tricky thing they could to put egg on the MPAA's collective face.
Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 04-18-2000, 08:21 AM:
Hey guys it's a cartoon!
I too have some problems with kids and violence on the screen, but when I look at that screen and I see that the figures are animated, I automatically understand that this is non-reality. When a film is attempting to depict reality (live actors) I worry about the glorification of violence and it's affect on youth, but seeing animation changes the whole slant