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Posted by Rick Long (Member # 213) on 12-04-1999, 12:43 PM:
Lately, there has been a growing controversy as to whether it is better to leave the processor and amplifiers powered up overnight, or to shut them off after the last performance.
Both sides seem to have valid arguments; on the pro side; less electrical inrush to the system, solid-state component stabilisation time, ect. The con side argues in favour of damage from heat build-up, premature cooling fan failure, and the invitation for non-qualified personel to tamper with the system, ect.
Your comments on this would be appreciated.
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 12-04-1999, 12:55 PM:
I say turn 'em OFF and save on your electric bill. Give the amps a rest and don't bake the components inside.
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 12-04-1999, 01:07 PM:
I say definately turn the amps off. Heat build up is the number one thing that makes things electronic go bad nowadays. If the amps are fan-cooled then maybe that's not so important.Number two, is the possibility of voltage spikes. They are sometimes more frequent at night. Furthermore, at least if you're there when one hits, you'll be able to tell what happened. If it's at night, you'll just be scratching your head in the morning.
Okay, if you've got surge suppression that's not an issue. Mercyhurst does and they leave the Media Matrix and the Smart on 24/365. Doesn't hurt 'em a bit. Matter of fact, people say turning them on & off all the time is worse. We just turn the amps off at night.
At TT17, everything goes on in the morning and of at night. (That's over 200 swithces to throw every morning!)
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 12-04-1999, 02:09 PM:
I usually turned everything off...I used the switches on the amps (which had to go off before the CP-50 to avoid a nasty "pop" that might blow or damage the speakers) and then threw the breaker to the sound rack (which killed the processor, monitor amp, and exciter supplies.
200 switches every morning! Wow!
For the single-screen where I worked, I had to flip breakers for: (1) picture changeover, (2-3) threading lights, (4-5) projector motors, (6) sound rack, (7-8) amps, (9) rewind motor, (10) attic blower, (11-14) lamphouse blowers and rectifiers, and (15-21) knife switches for seven dimmer circuits. This doesn't include booth ceiling lights, etc.
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 12-04-1999, 02:32 PM:
I require that as a condition of warranty on any sound system we install whether it be a theatre or other venue it must be left powered up or don't call us.
The reasons are
1 The capactitors in the Powersupplies require a fairly long time constant to charge fully before a signal should be applied (not true for newer switching supplies)
2 System stays at thermal equilibrium
a solid state amplifier actually takes longer to properly warm up then a tube one does.
3 No possibility of turn on thumps
4 Low inrush current. Most amps draw enough current to trip breakers on turn on
5 Most amps fail on turn on especially there own power switch
6 Find me a professional recording studio that powers their electronics down at night
7 Systems that are left powered up drift lessWe usually install a contactor on the mains to a rack so if the power goes down the rack will not power itself up when the hyfro comes back on but must pe manually powered up
There are several sequencers available for that applications
The only amps I have ever replaced have always been where peoiple power up and down
The power bill issue is moot as a rack of amps ideling usually is only about 200 watts
Posted by Stefan Scholz (Member # 147) on 12-04-1999, 02:33 PM:
Turn off, when leaving.
Some rteasons, fans are rated for a lifespan of about 10 k hours, so they will pass quicker, you waste electricity for stdby, each Amp. takes about 100 W or so in idle mode, and for fire safety. Unattended equipment might be a fire hazard, rare, but I have seen an amp burning, during intermission.
Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 12-06-1999, 05:24 AM:
At our IMAX, the only thing that stays on 24hrs is the sound rack. Amps, ddp player, dubber, switching etc. It never goes off. At my regular theaters though, it's not such an issue. Everything is off before you leave the box except the exhaust fan runs on a delay timer for another 15 minutes.
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 12-06-1999, 09:24 AM:
I agree with Gordon McLeod and John Wilson. Steady-state is always prefered over powering up and down cycles. In our recording studio and the network systems "mother room" (which contains all the servers, telephone digital switch and hub racks) nothing ever gets turned off. The amp racks for the theatre sound system in the amp room (which is separate from the projection booth), never gets turned off. Normally I would think amps might fare better if they were off when not in use only because they generate a good amount of heat, but our amp room is kept so cold and the amps have internal fans, that internal overheating is not a problem. In our TV production facility, it's the same -- everything stays on 24hrs.The item of note, however, is that, as I said, these rooms all have very hefty temperature control systems. The temperature is always at an unconfortable 65 degrees in the amp and network systems rooms. The network systems room even has thermometers that read the ambient temp inside the servers and sensors will down a server if it rises above a certain preset.
The projection booth is air conditioned, but we read incoming mains voltages as high as 130V at night, so we shut the processor rack down. It wouldn't be uncommon to come in and find four or five hall light bulbs that are always on, burned out over night....not a good omen. Plus, we don't run film on a daily basis. Given this, I decided not to leave the sound racks on. Last week I got a Triplite power conditioner that will regulate the power to the processor racks.
In the museum booth, some contractor convinced them to install a power conditioner -- it is the size of house. I have no idea why. It stands 6ft tall, 3 ft deep and 4 ft wide. It gives off more noise than the projectors, but worse, it pours HEAT into the booth. That booth, even though it has air conditioning, is always hot -- I mean like 80 degrees all the time. It's a bitch to work and certainly it can't be good for equipment to be left powered in that environment. Everything in that booth goes off at night.
As for all those switches....consider investing in X10 controls-- it's the best thing we ever did. From a single location at the booth entrance, one button can shut everything off -- lights, racks, coffee maker(!!), everything. You can even get a timer controler and set the thing to shut everything down after say 1am. This way, even it a newbie forgets to turn of the single switch, the timer will shut it down for you. The receiver modules only run about $11 and the control box about $9. There is no longer any missed swithes or that 20 min demonstration for newbies coming into the booth for the first time where you have to show him each and every switch.
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 12-06-1999, 12:21 PM:
In a couple of large instalations we installed the racks to be part of the return air plenum
I always put insurge protectors on the processors. In some cases I will put a UPS on the processor to makesure in an emergancy it will power down last
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 12-06-1999, 01:02 PM:
Frank, those X10 units are pretty convenient. You can even buy modules to send a pulse or close a relay to start projectors from a clock timer or have a wireless remote control. 
I've always shut everything down at night. Amps go off first, then after they die the rest is powered down. Reverse that for powering up.
Posted by Jason Burroughs (Member # 68) on 12-06-1999, 03:59 PM:
I'd imagine the debate could go on and on here, just as it has in the PC word... The MTBF on electronics is large now that there isn't much difference either way. At the theatres I've worked at we've always turned everything off, pretty much the same manner that Brad uses, and provided that ambiant temperature and air circulation remain fairly constant and within the products specifications leaving them on shouldn't be a problem. Howerver most theatres turn off the HVA/C systems during the night, I would imagine that this would cause heat to build up in the projection room, not only putting stress on the equipment while it bakes overnight, but on the HVA/C system it self when it kicks back in in the morning. Server rooms have carefully controlled air handlers that conrtoll temperature, airborne dirt, humidity, etc... I've yet to see a projection booth that has air handling on this level.
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 12-06-1999, 10:00 PM:
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Last week I got a Triplite power conditioner that will regulate the power to the processor racks.
Is it a monster isolation transformer? I humped one of those up to the booth last year to cut some line noise. Hauling that brick annoyed me more than the pedestals & rectifiers.
Furman's got a box that looks really nice: http://www.furmansound.com/IT-Series.html
Posted by Stephen Jones (Member # 16) on 01-09-2000, 06:44 PM:
I prefer to turn the amps on at the start of the day and turn them off at the end of the day.I dont like the idea of leaving amps on over night.------------------
Posted by Reeve Byrne (Member # 295) on 01-13-2000, 08:31 AM:
I was alwasy told to turn everything off at night. "It saves money in utility cost" is what one person told me.
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 01-13-2000, 09:44 AM:
Off... turn 'em off.With apologies and a tip o' the hat to Gordon; show me a broadcast facility that leaves everything on (when they sign-off).
As long as we're comparing apples and oranges. 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 01-14-2000, 03:31 AM:
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show me a broadcast facility that leaves everything on (when they sign-off)
In the U.S., radio stations not in continuous operation are mostly AM daytimers & a few FM public radio outlets.
It really doesn't matter if CD players get turned off nightly. But nobody kills the power to the console, STL's, processing, satellite receivers, etc. Those little LED's glow all their little lives.
As for shutting down a transmitter: by law, if you've got no audio, you must kill your signal, & on an AM transmitter that means killing the plates. And if you've done that, you might as well turn off the filaments! AM is more like plumbing than electronics, & the cost of powering an AM transmitter is probably about the same as electrifying the plumbing network in your house.
TV facilities that sign off nightly will usually kill the transmitter & maybe some tape units at night, but all the other stuff stays up. It would take a long time to walk around & turn off every piece of equipment!
Posted by Jeff Stricker (Member # 224) on 01-14-2000, 04:36 PM:
One of the AM broadcast stations I worked at left the filaments of the transmitter tubes (I'm dating myself) on all night after sign off. The satation was off air from 10:30 PM to 6 AM. We found we got longer tube life by leaving the filaments on. With modern solid state electronics this isn't an issue. Power consumption during non-use times may be the biggest issue. I'd also be concerned about a failure that could cause smoke (and worse!) when unattended. Unless the stuff is used more than 20 hours a day, I'd turn it off when not needed.
Posted by Martin Frandsen (Member # 74) on 01-19-2000, 07:55 AM:
As a film collector with a home set-up i don't need to have my amps on all the time.But i do leave my dolby on all the time,and will do the same with the dolby digital/dts stuff when i get that rigged up to.I have a Furman power conditioner sitting at the top of my rack (with light module) it is designed to smooth out any high peaks in the voltage system,so i'm told. 
Posted by Jeff Stricker (Member # 224) on 01-19-2000, 04:57 PM:
Martin, I don't understand why you would want to leave any of your audio gear on all the time. This is especially true for a home set up like yours (or mine) where you would have so few operating hours. To me it just puts many unecessary hours on the electrolytic capacitors promoting earlier failure due to dry out of the electrolyte. Also if there are any marginal resistors operating near their power rating - their life will be shortened.Another reason I don't like leaving this stuff on unattended is that it is more vulnerable to surge damage due to nearby lightning events, dumb stuff the power company does, etc. Don't trust all those surge protectors, etc. Jeff
Posted by Martin Frandsen (Member # 74) on 01-19-2000, 06:22 PM:
It sounds better when it stays on all the time. Thats just my opinion 
About the surge protectors, it's better to have one than not. My tech says the filters inside keep the voltage stabel (220volt/in europe) and filters unwanted peaks out.