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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 01-10-2000, 03:57 PM:
 
This one should actuall be titled "Recto-Cranial Inversions"!

Anybody ever seen this one before?

At my theatre, we have the Cretors 'automatic' popcorn poppers. You toss in a scoop of seed and press a button and out squirts a measured amount of popper oil.

I hear this call on the radio at about 1pm last Sunday, just as we were getting good and busy...

Johnny the Popcorn Boy: "Mr. {manager}!!! I need you at the main stand right away!!!

Manager: What's wrong 'Johnny'?

J: "Something's wrong with the popcorn machine! It's SMOKING really bad!"

M: "Okay! Shut it off!! I'm on the way!"

J: "Umm... Okay... I think somebody hooked up a box of Coke instead of Pop-oil!"


Yes, you heard right! 'Somebody' DID! If you don't know this, the popcorn oil comes in the same kind of 'bag-in-a-box' (AKA: "BIBS") that the Coca-Cola comes in!! And, YES the connectors are the same!

It's amazing to me that 'somebody' can't tell the difference between an thick, brown, gooey liquid in a box that says, "C-O-K-E" and a thin, yellow, oily liquid that says, "O-I-L"! Furthermore, it's amazing to me that it went completely unnoticed until the popper started belching out thick, black, FOUL-smelling smoke!

After I stopped laughing my ass off, I went down to check it out. The popper's TRASHED! They're probably going to need a new kettle and oil pump!

Lucky thing it didn't catch fire!


 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 01-10-2000, 04:04 PM:
 
Keep that kid away from your projector oil cans! Too funny.
 
Posted by Chris Erwin (Member # 176) on 01-10-2000, 05:06 PM:
 
...and keep him outta the booth for sure! c-o-k-e in the s-i-m-p-l-e-x!

--Chris

 


Posted by Jason Burroughs (Member # 68) on 01-10-2000, 05:13 PM:
 
I'm Brad would love to humor us with the numerous stories of "bone head" moves from a local tech here in Dallas. I swear this is a definitive "bone-head".
 
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 01-10-2000, 05:15 PM:
 
Luckily, we've got a pretty small 'core' group in the booth. There's about 8 people who run proj. and 5 of us are 'booth only'. The ones that came 'up' from downstairs are pretty good as far as proj. goes. Only the 'good' kids get to come up to the booth.

We don't know who's responsible for the popper incident, yet. Whoever it is certainly isn't talking. If the popper really is trashed, 'he' is probably going to be 'in the dog house' for a while. (If not worse!)
 


Posted by Ben Wales (Member # 92) on 01-10-2000, 05:58 PM:
 
We work with with a true Bone Head at Skyscape Cinema part of the Millennium Dome in London, this is the one who ordered two bottles of "Blooping Ink" in place where only 70mm DTS is shown (photos are coming!), this guy is so useless ( would you have a chief lace up a projector that was covered in concrete dust and not clean it!!) the rest of the projection team now wants to leave!,
I wonder why?.

The management think he is so good,they have promoted him as Senior AV Engineer for the cinema complex!!.


 


Posted by Stephen Jones (Member # 16) on 01-10-2000, 07:27 PM:
 
Employing people as tecnnical managers who have never worked in the industry let alone even seen 35mm film or a projector and platter before and then get the same people to train others on how to be a projectionist,no wonder projection in some cinemas is a disaster.

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Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 01-10-2000, 09:57 PM:
 
This is the funniest thing that I've read in quite a while. Thanks for posting!

Gee...I always wanted to see what popcorn would taste like if I swapped the corn oil for "Genuine Century Oil"! Actually, given the relatively poor quality of popcorn at so many theatres, it probably wouldn't be much worse than average...
 
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 01-10-2000, 10:07 PM:
 
Don't ask me how I know this. Just take it as face value:


At first, the thought was, "Hey! Coca-Cola flavored popcorn! We could be on to something, here! Maybe we could charge EXTRA for that?"

The resultant popcorn actually looked almost normal and it smelled like Coca-Cola but it tasted like burned sugar.

BLAAAAAAH!
 


Posted by Scott Ribbens (Member # 180) on 01-10-2000, 11:35 PM:
 
Probably the worst one I saw, was some years ago when a fellow projectionist went to move a print. Even though we had film clamps, he did not use them (he should have though). He picked up the print off of the AW-2, started to carry it with his arms both under the print, like he was hauling a big box by the bottom. Well, he was hauling the print by the bottom, with both arms in front of him about two feet apart from each other, and the print was at about a 40 degree angle. Well you know what happened next. The center ring fell out of the print, the film started uncoil onto the floor from the center. He tried to put the print down on the floor very carefully. Then about halfway down to the floor the print started droop around all of the edges and over his arms. By the time he got it to the floor, there was maybe one reel of film left twisted around his arms.

I guess he was a bit embarrassed, because when I asked if he wanted some help, he said no go on home.

I heard that it took him about 4 to 5 hours to put that one back together that night.

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"More human than human" is our motto.

Scott



 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 01-11-2000, 12:12 AM:
 
Ok, here goes my favorite per Jason's request...

Many years back I was opening a new complex as a booth manager. I won't even get into the details of why the general manager insisted I train someone in the booth who did not speak one word of English!

Just imagine the training. Point...nod head yes. Point...nod head NO! Point...nod head yes. Demonstrate threading while saying things like "soundtrack" (pointing)..."roller" (pointing)..."intermittent" (pointing), etc, etc, etc. So after over a month of the most aggravating training I've ever been through I finally say "this guy's NEVER gonna get it until either he learns English or I learn whatever it is he speaks". So of course, this general manager decides, hmmm, sounds like he's good to go!

I was finishing college at the time and although I'd been working from 8am to midnight every day for over a month with a 1 1/2 hour drive to and from the theater, HAD to take a few mornings off for finals. So what happens? "Mr. Smartestmanagerintheworld" decides to put this guy in the booth one morning when I'm not there to supervise and go head nodding. By the time I get there around 2PM, the box office people pull me aside and ask "what happened?" Then it was the concessionists, "what happened?" Then the ushers too. Of course I have NO idea what evil is lurking upstairs awaiting my arrival...but I'm not liking it.

First thing I see is this fellow wobbling down the booth. Of course my thoughts were "oh shit", but I decided to follow him and try to get him to point to whatever this disaster was that apparently the entire theater knew about. No sooner did I round the corner did I see the service tech working on #2. I don't even bother following him anymore and decide to go to the English speaking tech for answers.

As I walk up, I'm greeted with "hey, how's it going?" I of course responded with something along the lines of "I'm not sure. How IS everything going?" His response was "well, your boy there stripped out this intermittent", as he hands me a "was-brand-new" Simplex XL intermittent with a red shop rag mangled around the sprocket.

Now, how do you teach a non-English speaking projectionist NOT to run the motor when wiping the sprockets with a toothbrush or a rag? Believe me, I did more than enough "NO" head shaking while pointing to the motor switch...but what can I do.

So now here's the amazing thing, this tech (who was known for checking sound problems by sticking his head out of the port hole window during the then mono trailers for 5 seconds and saying "sounds great nothing wrong") actually had a loop of RP40 running through the machine and the image on screen looked good! In fact, the projector was running smooth too! What could I say to the man but "thanks!" It had been a very rough month with virtually no sleep.

He tells me to leave the machine running for 10 minutes or so to "let the oil circulate" and asks me if I would help him carry some of his gear out to his car. I obliged.

Some 10 minutes later, after having to answer questions to the staff who had nothing better to do than get gossip, I returned to the projector, stopped it and took the loop out. The show was to start in 10 minutes and my non-English speaking operator was nowhere to be found, so I decide to go ahead and thread it up. Just one problem, when I walked around the projector to get to the platter I found a bit of a mess that the bonehead tech had left...all over my brand new print! What was this crap? I touched it, smelled it, looked at the walls, floor and ceiling around the platter and was imagining that someone had taken a 5 pound sack of shit and slung it all over the place. Well, it wasn't shit...it was the oil from the XL...because the BONEHEAD tech never put the back cover on the projector!

There was no oil left in the machine, for it was all over the print. That house stayed down for 2 days while we junked the print and scrubbed the platter, rollers, ceiling, walls and floor. The only amazing thing is, there's no telling how long that XL was running with no oil while that loop was running, yet it was fine once the cover was put back on and new oil was put in.

 


Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 01-11-2000, 12:48 AM:
 
I'd hate to have been around if the popcorn monkey had hooked the OIL up to the COKE fountain!

-Aaron

 


Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 01-11-2000, 05:54 PM:
 
Oh, THAT'S funny!
 
Posted by George Roher (Member # 91) on 01-11-2000, 11:26 PM:
 
Too many bonehead moves to relate without writing a book. Here's a couple of fun ones:

The manager at one theatre decided to hook up a box of iced tea at the downstairs concession stand. Unlike the upstairs soda fountain, this one could only make carbonated drinks. Result: no one wanted to drink the sparkling iced tea and those who did got a refund. Not real bad, just funny.

A tech decided we needed a snood on the outside of the port glass to correct a problem we were having with the picture. So he made one. He did this by sawing the bottom off a trash can and taping the can up to the port. It worked until it came crashing down to the floor during the first show, luckily without whacking a customer on the head. Someone then picked it up and placed it in the rear of the theatre and patrons proceeded to fill it full of trash, not knowing it was bottomless. It was kind of funny though, seeing the projection beam emanating from a garbage can. A real quality show


 


Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 01-12-2000, 11:04 PM:
 
This is an older bonehead story...

One day while talking to my coworker while he was working at the rewind bench, I noticed a straight 'line' of some black substance going straight across the bench. I touched it and found that it was some kind of oil. I went to get the '409' to clean it up and noticed that there was a similar black 'line' going up the front of my white Cinemark Uniform. Then I noticed another line going up the wall and across the ceiling. Retracing my steps, I discovered that all of these lines were on a plane that intersected the top of the table at an almost 90 deg. angle. "Hmmm", I thought. I went to get the '409' and came back. By that time by buddy had started up the rewinder again. This time, I saw a 'rooster tail' of oil flying off the friction disk on the left spindle! Somebody had decided to OIL the "friction pad"! (If you ask me, "OIL" and "FRICTION" are two MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE concepts! Now, I can understand that a few drops of oil could be beneficial. (Personally, I wouldn't do it unless it needed it.) But this bone head totally saturated the pad! I had to spend about an hour cleaning up the mess and getting the oil out of the rewinder. To this day, there's still oil in places you never thought even existed! Well, at least we'll never have to oil it!

I found out who it was. It's the same guy who tried to stop a 6K reel full of film, spinning at top speed using his bare hands! I don't know why he'd do that unless he seriously enjoys pain? I know he understood that spinning reels are like buzz saw blades. We used to demonstrate that concept by taking an old reel and cutting pencils in half, saying, "This COULD have been your finger!")
 


Posted by Ari Nordström (Member # 288) on 01-13-2000, 04:47 AM:
 
Lesser bone-head story:

One of the casuals of a now-closed premiere house once attempted to clean a dusty print by soaking a towel with water and then rewinding the film at top speed while, um, _cleaning_ the print with said towel...

 


Posted by Reeve Byrne (Member # 295) on 01-13-2000, 08:12 AM:
 
This stuff is too funny. someone should write a book aboiut this stuff.
 
Posted by Jason Burroughs (Member # 68) on 01-13-2000, 11:51 AM:
 
Annother "bone head" move I remembered...

After a manager built up a print of "Nell", and was screening it he discovered that he had placed R4 on backwards. So he let the rest of the reel run though no big deal so he could reverse it. Here is where the "bone head" part comes in... once the reel had run through he stopped the projector, broke the splice and proceeded to pull reel 4 off ONTO THE FLOOR!!! by hand. This was a brand new theatre so he knew the carpet would be full of construction dirt (even though we vacumed nightly) so upon loading the film back onto the platter he decided to clean it, using a DRY PAPER TOWEL!! Needless to say that reel looked like complete crap. This manager also INSISTED that we shoepolish reel changes.
 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 01-13-2000, 04:41 PM:
 
Jason,

Is this the same manager who had to have a splicer by EVERY projector "for when the film breaks"??? I'll bet it is.

If it's that same guy, he literally couldn't make it through more than one 70mm presentation per week without the film breaking at a minimum of once! I know all the assistant managers always cheered when "it didn't break". They went through thousands of passes just because he was such a firm believer in "the 2 finger loop". (Of course, the man had HUGE fingers and his loops slapped all over the inside of the projector.)

I always felt for the poor AW3s at that theater. When he spliced he would punch the splicer with all of his weight to the point I'd swear his feet would jump off of the floor...because he ALWAYS spliced with the splicer on the edge of a platter deck. To this day, those axles are all bent to crap.

He also thought the only way to remove a trailer was to pull it by hand through the brain onto the floor. At that point he would carry the glob of film to the rewind bench and start untangling it onto a core.

That was back in the acetate days too. Geez, I'll bet he's turned over his fair share of platters and consoles with polyester!
 


Posted by Jason Burroughs (Member # 68) on 01-13-2000, 04:45 PM:
 
Brad, Yup that's him!

Last I heard he's no longer in the movie business though.
 


Posted by Stephen Winner (Member # 8) on 01-13-2000, 09:58 PM:
 
About the dumbest thing I did was a few months ago was when I stopped the projector without closing the dowser. Likewise, my nose caught the burning smell as the 6.5KW arc lamp was buring up the film!

 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 01-13-2000, 10:30 PM:
 
Film breaks? Ugh! Except for a really bad lab splice (which should have been fixed during print inspection), I've never figured out what causes film breaks in normal operation. I've never experienced one personally (and I've run a lot of beat-up repertory acetate prints). I suppose that grossly misadjusted tension on the takeup or feed arm might cause it, but that would be more likely to cause torn perfs (and wouldn't happen in a non-reel-to-reel setup, either).

Stephen - you don't have fire shutters at the Byrd?
 
Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 01-14-2000, 12:42 AM:
 
As for boneheads I would have to go with my Dad. He does some occasional handywork for me and decided to take his shot at projection. He is pretty good at picking up mechanical things well and not screwing them up. HOWEVER... He thought he would try a ... ahem.... NEW WAY... of tearing and building up movies. He build some lame ass contraption so he could tear down a movie that was on the bottom or top platter. Not only did it totally thrash the print, it also pulled the breakdown table right into the platter as it was running another movie. There were pieces of film and wood all over the place. Needless to say I was able to live the american dream, I fired my own dad. WOOOHOOOO.....

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Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 01-14-2000, 02:39 AM:
 
I remember walking through the foyer late one night and the barmaid/candy girl had a whole line of beer bottles lined up along the bar. She had opened up about 15 of them when I stopped. I looked around for the customers thinking there must be a small after-movie party going on, but I couldn't see anyone in the foyer except for this girl and myself.

"Why are you opening all those beers?" I asked her as she moved on to the 20th. "Are there some customers coming out?"

"No!" she said. (duh) "It's supposed to be busy at the matinee tomorrow so I'm saving time for then".

It ended up there was a small party at the end of the show after all that.

(Well, you can't go wasting good beer now, can you?) (hic)

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Indiana Jones
 


Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 01-14-2000, 08:31 AM:
 
This is a similar thing, only in 16mm.

When I worked in TV, we had the OLD RCA TP-6 telecine projectors with one reel at the top and one just above the floor. We were running a 2000' reel loaded with "The Towering Inferno" In those days, we would transfer the film to tape so we wouldn't have to physically cut the print. Anyway, it was late at night, and the projectors were in another room. I loaded the reel and cued it up. Then I went back into the control room to start the 2" VTR and start the recording. I started the tape, then started the projector. I heard it start from the other room, and I saw the film running on the monitor. I checked the sound, and sat down to continue doing all the other stuff I had to do.

Anyway, at the end of the reel, I stopped the tape, stopped the projector, and walked into the projection room. I found 2000' of "Inferno" in a heap on the filthy floor. The take-up reel had split and I didn't hear it. The bad thing is that my "helper" tried to pick-up the lump of film--to keep it from getting dirtier.... He thoroughly tangled it up.

We ended up paying for a replacement R3-4 of the movie. That is R2 on 16mm. Twentieth Century TV actually inspected the print and saw what our station had done to their only new print (at the time) and billed us.

From then on, I instructed our guys to keep an eye on the projectors while we were dubbing at night. There were always people around during the day.

I transferred around 5000 features to tape during my stay there.....
 


Posted by William Dickson (Member # 314) on 01-18-2000, 05:02 PM:
 
Shortly after starting at the theater I currently work at I was informed that the bottom platter on one of our projectors didn't work.(Alpha Platter Systems). After a little investigation I found a round dent had been notched out of the rubber wheel that spins the platter. I called the projectionist who worked the night before to find out what happened. (That's my job.) He told a story something like this:
"I was building up Duece Bigalow and you know how sometimes as the reel is running onto the platter you go down stairs for a cigarette."(No I don't so keep explaining.)"Well when I came back up there was this awful smell and didn't know where it was coming from. When I got closer to the platter I was building at I heard the whine of a platter motor working way too hard. Well the tail didn't release from the reel and the make-up table was up against the platter."(He didn't say it slammed into the platters but we know it did.)The drive shaft on the motor had burned away the notch in the rubber wheel and the platter was unusable. That cigarette cost our company a pretty penny. What's more bone-headed:him doing this or him telling me the truth the first time? Actually I'm very glad he was honest but wanted to hear a good story.

 
Posted by Christopher A Kerr (Member # 151) on 01-18-2000, 05:16 PM:
 
And then there was my asst. mgr, who when building up a print, discovered that he had put the reels on 1,2,3,5. He had reel 4 left over and immediatly realized his mistake. Instead of rewinding the reel back onto a reel, he moved the rewind table out of the way, got a big cardboard box and spun (by hand no less) then whole reel into the box. He then moved the box out of the way, brought the rewind table back over, attached reel 4, moved the table again and brought the box back. Now for the fun part. The end of the film had gotten lost somewhere in the tangled mess of film inside the box.........
 
Posted by Ari Nordström (Member # 288) on 01-19-2000, 06:01 PM:
 
We're currently screening old Swedish film classic chosen by the director Ingmar Bergman, who has also picked a selection of short films to be run before each feature.

When I arrived at the theatre about an hour before last Sunday's screening, thinking that an hour would be more than enough to prepare a couple of archive reels and a short, I was told by the manager of these special screenings that this particular "short" was actually a short sequence, a monologue by the director of the old classic, that was part of a seven-reel feature. The Swedish Film Institute had helpfully sent us the whole film, not just the right reel.

My first question to the manager was, obviously, what reel the sequence belonged to. He didn't know. What does the scene look like? He didn't know. Does anyone know? Well, yes, one of the other managers might, but she was at a restaurant somewhere, eating lunch with the guest director who was to speak to the audience before the show. They'd be back in time for the show, not before. Can we phone the Swedish Film Institute and ask? No, not on a Sunday, they're closed.

The manager, looking rather worried by now, thought for a moment, and then asked if I could "simply fast-forward the film and look the scene up"...

Sigh.

 


Posted by Chris Wootten (Member # 283) on 01-21-2000, 06:21 AM:
 
I was helping thread up the projectors (BauerU3) during training, and forgot to tweek the nuts that hold the reels onto the spindle.......as had been told to me NEVER to forget...about fifteen minutes of the show had passed when my instructor and I heard a loud bang......without looking he said..."you'd better get and clean your mess up...and be quick..." I rushed into the booth to find the reel lying on the floor and the BIGGEST pile of film I had ever seen.......DONT PANIC...DONT PANIC.... Bob just laughes and told me to carefully lift the reel up (6000') and give it to him and that I was to feed him the film without it getting tangled, and ...THANK GOODNESS..notdamaged... he placed the reel on the rewinder and varied the speed to keep up to my handling of the "mess", and the speed of the projector... It all ended well with no damage and a smirky "Itold u so from Bob"
After that experience I always tweek the nuts and try to impress on my trainees the same "need to tweek"...
 




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