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Posted by Joshua Lott (Member # 240) on 03-04-2000, 12:33 AM:
I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on regarding training projectionists? How do you go about it? I personally do a show and tell the first day, getting them used to the equipment and terms. Then I gradually let the person getting trained do more. Do you have training manuals set up for them? I have a stack of "reading material" which includes the manuals, splicing tips, company policies and stuff like that. I work with 16 Strong Super Highlight Lamp Houses with Millenium Heads. 11 houses have CP500's. 4 houses have DTS 6AD's. And one house has a DA20 (Penthouse 701 reader) and the Sony 3000. All have CNA 150 Automations. I have been training projectionists for awhile now, but I am always looking to improve the quality of my staff, and presentation. Any suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-04-2000, 01:43 AM:
I'll bet you work at that new Century 16 in Anchorage. How's it going?You are on the right track as far as training goes. Those that show interest and read your stack of liturature will probably do well and those who don't will suck. Turn them on to Film-Tech and see if they groove on it.
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-04-2000, 02:18 AM:
I show them once how to thread going very slowly and explaining how everything works in the process. Then I ask them to give it a shot, reminding them that I do not expect them to get it anywhere close to correct. As they thread the machines, I go back and tell them "you've got 4 problems" and make them figure it out, using logic and simple reasoning.I find if they struggle through it a bit at the start, they have to learn why and how things work. Generally the newbies aren't too crazy about that form of training, but they all tell me after the fact that they feel they learned more.
Oh yes, I give 'em 3 shifts. If they don't have it "basically" down in that time frame, they're out (unless that person is really just dying to learn). Tasks other than simple threading get extra time to train. This is my policy as 99% of truly good operators can pick it all up quick. Having a set time span also helps to get their attention, as many trainees are just looking for a way out of the concession stand and think the booth is an easy job.
Posted by Joshua Lott (Member # 240) on 03-04-2000, 03:07 AM:
To the first question: No, I work at the Regal Goldstream 16 in Fairbanks, Alaska. What made you think Century?And to Brad I have seen that 'I want to get out of concession' attitude but that normally shows through very quickly, and those employees are quickly put back down to the floor.
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-04-2000, 03:17 AM:
I follow the same basic strategy as Brad, making the trainee find their own mistakes. Usually I'll just say "You might want to double check the thread" or "You made a mistake on that one" and let them look at the film path until they find out what mistake(s) they have made. =
Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-04-2000, 01:27 PM:
I have seen the Century 16 in Anchorage. I didn't know that Regal had one in Fairbanks. Have you seen the sun yet? I'll bet the seniors up there don't complain about driving after dark. Must be strange in the Summer to stuble out at the end of a double to see the sun shining.
Posted by Joshua Lott (Member # 240) on 03-04-2000, 05:42 PM:
Ian: Right now we are getting about 12 hours of daylight, increasing by about 7 minutes a day. And yes it is extremely strange for it to be dark constantly in the winter, and light all day(and night)long in the summer. What I think is more intersting is how funny it was to try and open a 16 screen theatre when it was -40 F out side. I tell you bringing in stage speakers and surrounds at -40 can really do bad things to you. So what made you come to Alaska? Where is your theatre located at?
Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-04-2000, 07:06 PM:
I had to go to Anchorage to do a one day install. They gave me three days to do it so I played. I took a boat trip off of Seward. I went flying with Vern. 2 summers ago I was in Larado TX for an install and it was 117 Degrees F. I called my boss on the cell phone and told him that this sucks and that they would probably send me to Alaska in the winter time. They did. I went in December. It was great. I had a blast.
Posted by Joshua Lott (Member # 240) on 03-04-2000, 08:15 PM:
Ian: So I take it you used to work for Century? If you went up there on the install then you probably know Kevin? I worked with him in Fairbanks at our 9 screen before he went to Anchorage. That 9 screen has been since shut down, and is now a beautiful 16 screen theatre. I may be able to post some pics of the old and new theatre, but I will try and get permission first. Oh BTW if you ever make to Alaska in the Summer it is so nice(and warm).
Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-04-2000, 09:29 PM:
No I never worked for Century. I did install a video wall in the Century 16 in Aurora, CO. I was an AV installer. I was up there on a non-theatrical job. I don't know anybody who works for Century.
Posted by Chris Erwin (Member # 176) on 03-05-2000, 09:51 AM:
I was trained by the above methods that Joe and Brad mentioned,and boy,do you learn. You make a mistake once and learn from it. When I started,I threaded the path correctly,put the sound track on the wrong side! Having to fix that and the embarrassment made sure it never happened again! (yes,it did hit the screen before caught,thank goodness only 3 or 4 people for that one.--Chris
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-05-2000, 08:23 PM:
Ian-Were you that big guy helping me install the video wall at the Century 16 in Aurora, CO?
Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-05-2000, 10:29 PM:
No, I was the big guy who was paying you to sit around and twiddle your thumbs while Clifton did something or ruther.
Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 03-05-2000, 10:39 PM:
My training was basicly what Brad described. I was assinged to a projectionist as a 'shadow' for several shifts and in the end I was more or less ready to go.That's basicly how I have trained people in myself. I start them off on loading projectors. Once they have that down we can think about moving on to bigger and better things like tearing down and building film
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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 03-06-2000, 12:34 PM:
I have trained people in two different atmospheres. One at a 17-screen googolplex and the other at a college theatre. At the googolplex, I train pretty much like everybody else. At the college I do things a little differrent. When work studies come in, the first few times they don't do a whole lot. I show them how the projector works and put them to work doing chores and stuff. They clean the platter, rollers and the outside of the projector. Once the do that I have them wind up old trailers and stuff like that. From there it all depends on how well they do at other tasks and how much interest they have.
One guy (Mike B.) is pretty much the Right-Hand man. One girl is the "Official Print Breaker-Downer". Another new girl seems to like taking care of organizing stuff. After a while I expect to have a whole bunch of people who "specialize" in different things so that everything gets done right. I also try to make sure that each person knows how to do enough of the other jobs that we're not "dependent" on one person.
Posted by Ari Nordström (Member # 288) on 03-07-2000, 06:08 PM:
I've more or less forced most trainees to thread a projector and do a c/o or two before the first day is over. Kind of hard to do when you only run two shows a day, but it's possible.Usually, I spend the first show demonstrating the basics of threading projectors, including letting them try it themselves, and the second to c/o's and the practical matters of making the show work. It's always fun to ask them to do the c/o about a minute or so before it's time; in that way, they never have the time to think things through first. 
And yes, I practise the same methods that Brad does when I teach a newbie how to run a booth. The important thing is that they learn why things happen the way they do.
Oh, and I try to pick people that are not too easily scared. I've seen too many nervous projectionists (not all of them newbies, mind you) ruin shows at other theatres for no other reason than that they are like that.
Posted by Ari Nordström (Member # 288) on 03-07-2000, 06:39 PM:
More about training projectionists:After having taught them the basics, and knowing that they can manage a show on their own, more or less, I usually send my trainees to other cinemas for a few days, to see other booths and gain new perspectives. My theatre is a c/o house with no automation whatsoever so it's a good thing for a newbie to try a fully automated multiplex.
I'm careful about where to send them, of course, and which colleagues to ask. I don't want the wrong type of projectionist to ruin a still-impressionable newbie.
A friend of mine who often gets to show my trainees the ways of the world at the local multiplex is a technical wiz who knows all there is to know about picking apart projection equipment (yes, he knows how to put it all back together, too). He's also a nice guy and a good teacher. Gullible, too, since he still hasn't said no when I've asked him to have a look at yet another one of my trainees. 
So anyway, before sending off the trainee, I always tell him (yup; I've never had a female trainee, unfortunately) to ask my friend how to properly align the mirror and bulb in the lamphouse of a Bauer U3. It's really very interesting and not that hard to do, I tell him, knowing fully well that he will get a complete 3-hour technical analysis of the U3. It works every time.
The trainee usually returns to me a couple of days later, in a state of shock, at which point I usually fill him in and tell about the other trainees who've asked about the U3 over the years. It's important to have some fun when training newbies, don't you think?
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 03-07-2000, 07:09 PM:
I attempted to train several people. At least one of them ended up (after about two weeks) as a first-rate projectionist who always had the focus dead-on and who made perfect changeovers every time. Several others were total losers who never even became minimally competent, though management didn't realize this. A couple of others turned out to be "OK."
With two shows a night, I think that I could get someone to "reasonably competent" stage (can run shows unassisted and diagnose/fix simple problems) in about a week of training, assuming that he's at least somewhat interested and hasn't worked at a less-than-classy theatre long enough to develop bad habits.
Brad's method seems to be good. I liked to use the first show as a demonstration of what happens in the booth, and then I would let the trainee work on threading and changeovers during the second show. 20-minute reels are really good for this; there's nothing like giving someone a chance to do 6-8 threadups and changeovers in a two-hour period to get him acclimated!
Admittedly, I wasn't a particularly good trainer (maybe because no one really ever trained me...I learned what I know mostly by visiting other booths and chatting with old-timers), but I think that personal interest is the determining factor for whether someone will ever become a quality operator. Usually, one can figure this out in an evening. If I were a theatre manager, I would rather hire someone with some film knowlege and interest than someone with experience (particularly if that experience was in a run-of-the-mill gigaplex).
Posted by Aaron Mehocic (Member # 15) on 03-07-2000, 10:15 PM:
You may disagree, but . . .For a projectionist to become competant he/she must train for at least six months with a operator of compatible personality and be evaluated on performance for one year entirely. My boss says, "We don't have a year, I need them now." WHAT THE HELL DOES HE KNOW! I think thats why some of his choices don't work out, where as many of mine do.
Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 03-07-2000, 11:28 PM:
Six month training periods are all well and good, I agree that is ideal. It took me that long to figure things out fully for myself. But here is the problem at our theater-mininum wage for all posistions except management. The only people working at our theater are high schoolers and college students. Its not the kind of atmosphere that attracts highly dedicated people.On top of that money isn't exactly growing on tree's around here. When we are being told by our district office that we can have no more than 5 concessions, 2 box, 1 ticket taker, and 2 usher/projectionist (yes, the jobs are combined here) for a 12 plex that can seat 2,000 people on a Saturday night of a weekend we opened 4 new movies...how are we supposed to have the time, much less the money, to train someone for 6 months?